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Hey!

I really like the addition of the 'Live map' on Opticraft, but I have a suggestion that would make it that little bit better; add in the location of where people are. In other servers which I have been on, the live map showed where people are, approximately. Could this please be implemented into Opticraft?

Thanks!

I'm against showing where people are on the map. (Or what they say) because it gets in the way. I think it's best to keep it as it is, maybe just fix up the time it updates.

Quote from: tabooti on April 27, 2012, 11:09:46 AM
I'm against showing where people are on the map. (Or what they say) because it gets in the way. I think it's best to keep it as it is, maybe just fix up the time it updates.

Well in that case, there should be an option to turn players on / off. I really would like to see this added.

I think before this is implemented, if it is, it be updated first I finished a large build about 3 days ago and it still isn't completed on the live map.

Well some people might not want to be shown on the live map. I, for one, sometimes wouldn't.

The problem with this is that the live map is not updated enough to show all of the changes in real-time, let alone showing the positions of the players. Also, most of the player base is stuck at the center of the world-- the Spawn.

This cannot be done currently. It is a possibility, but I doubt Optical would want to pay a fortune just for a minor add-on. The live map also uses up some of the server's resources, which equates to some amount of lag.

I believe what you are talking about is a Dynamic Live map, and we currently have a OverView map.

The map takes 1 hour to render currently so but implementing this dynamic map would cause the server even more lag which wouldn't be the best idea. Also this could cause the server to take longer to restart every time it automatically does it which causes inconvenience to some players.

As of this I see now change in the near future or at least ever.

Arsenic.

(I once looked into this so I know that it most likely won't come around.)

Quote from: arsenic_shark on April 27, 2012, 09:56:12 PM
I believe what you are talking about is a Dynamic Live map, and we currently have a OverView map.

The map takes 1 hour to render currently so but implementing this dynamic map would cause the server even more lag which wouldn't be the best idea. Also this could cause the server to take longer to restart every time it automatically does it which causes inconvenience to some players.

As of this I see now change in the near future or at least ever.

Arsenic.

(I once looked into this so I know that it most likely won't come around.)

Is Opticraft still experiencing instability that Optical described in his news post? Because if it is, then I am talking about perhaps upgrading it AFTER the instability is gone and it is all working efficiently.

I don't see how it would cause such a lag issue. Opticraft is a 300 man server. Most larger servers like ours have the dynamic map which shows players locations. It's not like we're spying, I thought it was a neat feature.

Note,  the live map is having issues and optic is aware and has been working on it.

Quote from: 24kGold on April 27, 2012, 11:27:57 PM
I don't see how it would cause such a lag issue. Opticraft is a 300 man server. Most larger servers like ours have the dynamic map which shows players locations. It's not like we're spying, I thought it was a neat feature.

Note,  the live map is having issues and optic is aware and has been working on it.

Yeah, some pretty bad issues at that. For instance,

Quote from: Xeadin on April 27, 2012, 09:50:13 PM
The problem with this is that the live map is not updated enough to show all of the changes in real-time, let alone showing the positions of the players. Also, most of the player base is stuck at the center of the world-- the Spawn.

It is not updating in real time. So, I suggest that we wait for Optical to fix the server lag spikes and upgrading the map to real-time before attempting this.

Quote from: bigbeno37 on April 27, 2012, 09:59:20 AM
Hey!

I really like the addition of the 'Live map' on Opticraft, but I have a suggestion that would make it that little bit better; add in the location of where people are. In other servers which I have been on, the live map showed where people are, approximately. Could this please be implemented into Opticraft?

Thanks!

I saw this on another server and it really causes lag even if there are 50 ppl in the server. Well maybe our server is faster then their server but we often have 100+ ppl in our server and even with this faster server, in fact, there is lag. So dynamic map will bring a lot of lag to the server and it is bad for all of us.

Quote from: 24kGold on April 27, 2012, 11:27:57 PM
I don't see how it would cause such a lag issue. Opticraft is a 300 man server. Most larger servers like ours have the dynamic map which shows players locations. It's not like we're spying, I thought it was a neat feature.

Note,  the live map is having issues and optic is aware and has been working on it.

Well it is not that big server but I played in a server called stompzcraft who had the same feature. There was lots of lag although the small number of players who were playing. You said Opticraft is a 300 men server. This number is defined with the upload speed so it is not about lag.(Correct me if Im wrong) while lag appears when the RAM is full just like your computer where RAM is faster then Hard disk and when your RAM is full your computer will open programs in the hard disk which is slower and occasionally your computer will freeze. Plugins take some place in the RAM so there will be less place where the programs will work. This will make the limit where the lag begins sooner and there will be more lag.

The dynamic map must be big and complicated so it will cause more lag then other plugins. Btw the servers that you are talking about must have least plugins then us or they have faster servers.

I really suck at grammar especially when I write something that I'm not sure so sorry about that. This information maybe 100% true or 100% false so please replie if I'm wrong.

Thanks for reading and I hope that you won't be confused

Dynmap is a pretty good plugin for dynamically updating maps, and I've used it myself in the past.  The problem is, when you're trying to update 300 people on a live real-time map it uses a lot of resources.  I don't think an argument can be made that will justify the system resources used in order to have people show on the live map.

Quote from: atdthediamondminer on April 29, 2012, 08:14:12 PM

Quote from: bigbeno37 on April 27, 2012, 09:59:20 AM
Hey!

I really like the addition of the 'Live map' on Opticraft, but I have a suggestion that would make it that little bit better; add in the location of where people are. In other servers which I have been on, the live map showed where people are, approximately. Could this please be implemented into Opticraft?

Thanks!

I saw this on another server and it really causes lag even if there are 50 ppl in the server. Well maybe our server is faster then their server but we often have 100+ ppl in our server and even with this faster server, in fact, there is lag. So dynamic map will bring a lot of lag to the server and it is bad for all of us.

Quote from: 24kGold on April 27, 2012, 11:27:57 PM
I don't see how it would cause such a lag issue. Opticraft is a 300 man server. Most larger servers like ours have the dynamic map which shows players locations. It's not like we're spying, I thought it was a neat feature.

Note,  the live map is having issues and optic is aware and has been working on it.

Well it is not that big server but I played in a server called stompzcraft who had the same feature. There was lots of lag although the small number of players who were playing. You said Opticraft is a 300 men server. This number is defined with the upload speed so it is not about lag.(Correct me if Im wrong) while lag appears when the RAM is full just like your computer where RAM is faster then Hard disk and when your RAM is full your computer will open programs in the hard disk which is slower and occasionally your computer will freeze. Plugins take some place in the RAM so there will be less place where the programs will work. This will make the limit where the lag begins sooner and there will be more lag.

The dynamic map must be big and complicated so it will cause more lag then other plugins. Btw the servers that you are talking about must have least plugins then us or they have faster servers.

I really suck at grammar especially when I write something that I'm not sure so sorry about that. This information maybe 100% true or 100% false so please replie if I'm wrong.

Thanks for reading and I hope that you won't be confused

I am not confused by your comment, but Optical is upgrading the server RAM to 32GB, which means we could have this implemented. Twice the amount of RAM should be enough to handle this feature, although you did make an interesting point regarding the upload speed. Where is Optical hosting the server from? If it's at home, then the upload speed *probably* wouldn't cope with it, however if it is a VPS system hosted by another company, then it shouldn't be a problem

Quote from: bigbeno37 on April 30, 2012, 01:03:27 AM

Quote from: atdthediamondminer on April 29, 2012, 08:14:12 PM

Quote from: bigbeno37 on April 27, 2012, 09:59:20 AM
Hey!

I really like the addition of the 'Live map' on Opticraft, but I have a suggestion that would make it that little bit better; add in the location of where people are. In other servers which I have been on, the live map showed where people are, approximately. Could this please be implemented into Opticraft?

Thanks!

I saw this on another server and it really causes lag even if there are 50 ppl in the server. Well maybe our server is faster then their server but we often have 100+ ppl in our server and even with this faster server, in fact, there is lag. So dynamic map will bring a lot of lag to the server and it is bad for all of us.

Quote from: 24kGold on April 27, 2012, 11:27:57 PM
I don't see how it would cause such a lag issue. Opticraft is a 300 man server. Most larger servers like ours have the dynamic map which shows players locations. It's not like we're spying, I thought it was a neat feature.

Note,  the live map is having issues and optic is aware and has been working on it.

Well it is not that big server but I played in a server called stompzcraft who had the same feature. There was lots of lag although the small number of players who were playing. You said Opticraft is a 300 men server. This number is defined with the upload speed so it is not about lag.(Correct me if Im wrong) while lag appears when the RAM is full just like your computer where RAM is faster then Hard disk and when your RAM is full your computer will open programs in the hard disk which is slower and occasionally your computer will freeze. Plugins take some place in the RAM so there will be less place where the programs will work. This will make the limit where the lag begins sooner and there will be more lag.

The dynamic map must be big and complicated so it will cause more lag then other plugins. Btw the servers that you are talking about must have least plugins then us or they have faster servers.

I really suck at grammar especially when I write something that I'm not sure so sorry about that. This information maybe 100% true or 100% false so please replie if I'm wrong.

Thanks for reading and I hope that you won't be confused

I am not confused by your comment, but Optical is upgrading the server RAM to 32GB, which means we could have this implemented. Twice the amount of RAM should be enough to handle this feature, although you did make an interesting point regarding the upload speed. Where is Optical hosting the server from? If it's at home, then the upload speed *probably* wouldn't cope with it, however if it is a VPS system hosted by another company, then it shouldn't be a problem

My good sir RAM isn't everything. Bandwidth and actual computing power are large factors, due to the fact the live map must be rendered from software information into an interactive picture. Processing the location of every person, as well as going into real time takes a lot of processing power, while RAM helps to quickly access data (ie locations, information, thinks that need to be...get ready for it....randomly accessed

If this would go into effect, I personally think that this should show trusted+ or maybe just moderators+.