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Did I have to be as much of a jerk as i was in my first post? probably not, but you constantly complain and say the same thing over and over while you try to find new ways to circumvent our afk kicker and get more money. And it is very difficult for us to close loopholes that we dont know exist. I know I personally dont have to time to research 100% every update and think of all the possible ways to exploit the economy using that update. I usually find out about the loopholes when someone on the server abuses it.

And we never made iron farms useless, we made them less profitable. If you decided to not use it anymore after that is not my problem at all.

Why couldn't you do that to melons and pumpkins?? Now most people have tons of useless melons and pumpkins that will be there until the server get completely restarted from scratch or they will just stay there

Quote from: Beast23x3 on April 18, 2013, 01:53:23 AM
Why couldn't you do that to melons and pumpkins?? Now most people have tons of useless melons and pumpkins that will be there until the server get completely restarted from scratch or they will just stay there

Melon farms actually caused server lag. Iron farms do not have nearly the negative impact that melon farms had on the server.

Guys, beast made this thread as an opinions thread. Now we are battling. Let's tone things down a bit.

From my perspective, the economy is fine, but I'm one of the rich ones.

Now, the economy in my opinion is something which is probably discouraging new players when they see how rich people are when they have little money.

Also, I would like to end the arguments you all are having by saying you all are correct. Melon farms and pumpkin farms were problems due to lag. It might have been possible for the afk kicker combined with the entity destroyer, which lead to people complaining about their villagers being removed except for 2 or 3 being left over (not intending for there to be discussion regarding this sentece, so dont start), could have fixed the lag problem. However those with no farms would probably be discouraged. I think it is a good thing those are removed.

Now there's iron farms. Game mechanics limits them enough, and they don't cause lag. They have made Tiggy and I a lot of money since we both own fairly large farms so that could be a problem if more players manage to produce farms like ours, but I am not sure how many farms at our farm's size are in production.

Anyways, lets end the arguments and rants we've been having, and come up with a solution. Lets come up with some way to no longer discourage users who have no money while keeping an economy, and maybe even having a larger economy to please the people who want an economy.

Firstly, lets also stop nerfing enemy mobs for the purpose of making the survival part harder.
Secondly, lets find a way to get rid of the descouragement of players who are poor. Lets allow the economy to expand a little. Not by people getting rich off of farms, but by allowing people to run businesses in the server. Businesses means players get hired, and paid. Especially the poor people who get hired. This might help.
Thirdly, leave more suggestions. Lets do a brainstorm on what actions could be taken to improve the server on the survival aspects (and by survival aspects I really mean the difficulty), while also allowing the economy to be really nice. Maybe this could satisfy most of the players on both sides of the table. And lets peacefully brainstorm without rants or bad arguments. Keep it calm people.

Quote from: Nick3306 on April 18, 2013, 01:05:32 AM
Did I have to be as much of a jerk as i was in my first post? probably not, but you constantly complain and say the same thing over and over while you try to find new ways to circumvent our afk kicker and get more money. And it is very difficult for us to close loopholes that we dont know exist. I know I personally dont have to time to research 100% every update and think of all the possible ways to exploit the economy using that update. I usually find out about the loopholes when someone on the server abuses it.

And we never made iron farms useless, we made them less profitable. If you decided to not use it anymore after that is not my problem at all.

i circumvent the afk kicker by not being afk, i kno wat a crazy thought actually being at the computer while you're using a farm.....

I see the economy being that there is really no C.O. But just small business I made my $500,000 In about a day by selling every piece of iron, gold, redstone, and lapis I owned to the market. Before lowered prices. I used to make money purely on selling diamonds at one point, but that didn't get too far. The economy is fine. The economy just makes Opticcraft better in my opinion.

Quote from: tiggy26668 on April 18, 2013, 03:28:20 AM

Quote from: Nick3306 on April 18, 2013, 01:05:32 AM
Did I have to be as much of a jerk as i was in my first post? probably not, but you constantly complain and say the same thing over and over while you try to find new ways to circumvent our afk kicker and get more money. And it is very difficult for us to close loopholes that we dont know exist. I know I personally dont have to time to research 100% every update and think of all the possible ways to exploit the economy using that update. I usually find out about the loopholes when someone on the server abuses it.

And we never made iron farms useless, we made them less profitable. If you decided to not use it anymore after that is not my problem at all.

i circumvent the afk kicker by not being afk, i kno wat a crazy thought actually being at the computer while you're using a farm.....

If you consider typing 1 character every few minutes playing than sure.

Chief the problem is that we can't satisfy everyone, we have tired and someone always complains. Also we don't nerf the mobs at all, where are you getting this from?

Quote from: Nick3306 on April 18, 2013, 04:09:07 AM

Quote from: tiggy26668 on April 18, 2013, 03:28:20 AM

Quote from: Nick3306 on April 18, 2013, 01:05:32 AM
Did I have to be as much of a jerk as i was in my first post? probably not, but you constantly complain and say the same thing over and over while you try to find new ways to circumvent our afk kicker and get more money. And it is very difficult for us to close loopholes that we dont know exist. I know I personally dont have to time to research 100% every update and think of all the possible ways to exploit the economy using that update. I usually find out about the loopholes when someone on the server abuses it.

And we never made iron farms useless, we made them less profitable. If you decided to not use it anymore after that is not my problem at all.

i circumvent the afk kicker by not being afk, i kno wat a crazy thought actually being at the computer while you're using a farm.....

If you consider typing 1 character every few minutes playing than sure.

Guys please drop it. The OP did not make this thread for the intent of arguing over what is playing or not, therefore your argument is off topic. This was an opinions thread. Actually, it might even be appropriate to move the group brainstorming for possible server improvements regarding economy to a new thread.



Nick, to answer your question about where I am getting the nerfing stuff from, well, in single player on the hardest difficulty setting, I have to be really careful when hunting out at night otherwise I get killed by the mobs until I get diamond armor, and other good stuff. On this server, I can do my daytime stuff at night with no worries. Sure I could easily craft diamond armor like it's nothing, but I don't wear any armor since I don't really have to. Either the server difficulty is set to an easier setting, or mobs are intentionally or unintentionally nerfed.

there is a maximum amount of mobs that can spawn, and they spawn in all loaded chuncks of a world, so if there are 10 ppl in
the new guest world, then youll only get 1/10 spawns.

Quote from: Nick3306 on April 18, 2013, 04:09:07 AM

Quote from: tiggy26668 on April 18, 2013, 03:28:20 AM

Quote from: Nick3306 on April 18, 2013, 01:05:32 AM
Did I have to be as much of a jerk as i was in my first post? probably not, but you constantly complain and say the same thing over and over while you try to find new ways to circumvent our afk kicker and get more money. And it is very difficult for us to close loopholes that we dont know exist. I know I personally dont have to time to research 100% every update and think of all the possible ways to exploit the economy using that update. I usually find out about the loopholes when someone on the server abuses it.

And we never made iron farms useless, we made them less profitable. If you decided to not use it anymore after that is not my problem at all.

i circumvent the afk kicker by not being afk, i kno wat a crazy thought actually being at the computer while you're using a farm.....

If you consider typing 1 character every few minutes playing than sure.

Chief the problem is that we can't satisfy everyone, we have tired and someone always complains. Also we don't nerf the mobs at all, where are you getting this from?

Actually I consider using my farm that I built playing the game, cuz u kno half of minecraft is about gathering supplies.
Of course for maximum efficiency you wanna stand in a central block so that all the spawning locations are loaded and you're close enough to each mob to cause them to move so maybe if your afk kicker didn't try to kick me for standing still I wouldn't need to type a character in chat, which mind you I only do when there's no one on I feel like talking to, otherwise I have conversations with people.

And why are you coming after how I choose to play the game now? Minecraft has no set goal and you're free to play the game as you like, and I like automating things for efficiency, that's not a crime....

Didn't nick make a thread a while back for people to rage about pumpkin farms? Because that's really all that you're doing. This was supposed to be a thread about the economy, not nerfed items.

Quote from: 2468avc on April 18, 2013, 07:10:04 PM
Didn't nick make a thread a while back for people to rage about pumpkin farms? Because that's really all that you're doing. This was supposed to be a thread about the economy, not nerfed items.

actually i just said my opinion on the economy and nick started being a jerk toward me about it so i was pointing out where he got things wrong.

also i'm still waiting for his opinion on the economy and how well he thinks it's doing

Okay, I made this thread to find out how people felt about the server's economy, NOT TO FIGHT! If you are going to fight please make a different thread somewhere else. I'm sorry but some of you act like you 4, act your age. Thank you Chief149, honest to god though guys. If you want to bitch and complain about the economy and start fights then please make a different thread. Sorry to sound like an ass but this was never meant to make anyone start fighting with one another!

Quote from: tiggy26668 on April 18, 2013, 07:38:23 PM

Quote from: 2468avc on April 18, 2013, 07:10:04 PM
Didn't nick make a thread a while back for people to rage about pumpkin farms? Because that's really all that you're doing. This was supposed to be a thread about the economy, not nerfed items.

actually i just said my opinion on the economy and nick started being a jerk toward me about it so i was pointing out where he got things wrong.

also i'm still waiting for his opinion on the economy and how well he thinks it's doing

I got mad (which I already admitted was wrong) because you turned your opinion on the economy into an attack on us for nerfing items.

You really want my opinion on the economy? I feel it is fine. The idea for the market was not intended to start an economy. It was supposed to be a last resort to buying blocks. We had no idea that people would spend so much time trying to find loopholes to get insanely rich. To market was meant to be expensive as to discourage people from relying on it while being beneficial to those who play all the time. Obviously due to these loopholes that all went down the drain. But i don't necessarily think that it makes the current economy bad. At the beginning we should have made the sell prices for blocks MUCH lower than we did. The only problem with that is then players would have no real way to get the protection stones that are so vital to most players. As for right now, a lot of players are set on how the economy works and i think changing it would prove disastrous for the server.

In time, i have come to see as little shops, get more supplies and people get more items more people want to come there to buy and trade . That could be a system in it self. What im suggesting is that we have a big player shop (not like a market) where new players can get tools and ores and get on a path to get rich. But in the shop would have basic stuff that you could only buy also making it only buy  take out the loopholes for that shop