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Quote from: tylerhan2000 on September 12, 2012, 10:28:31 PM
3000 people died in pearl habour, it was unexpected and war was not declared yet. Why doesn't the whole country take a moment of silence on December 7, 1941? People will move on. And yes, it was a event that was terrorizing and I respect all other views on it.

Heres the picture of the new Tower under construction:

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We do remember Pearl Harbor day dude. Oddly enough, the ONE day that I have to prove I do, is when I forget. Wasn't it on December 7?

Quote from: tylerhan2000 on September 12, 2012, 10:28:31 PM
3000 people died in pearl habour, it was unexpected and war was not declared yet. Why doesn't the whole country take a moment of silence on December 7, 1941? People will move on. And yes, it was a event that was terrorizing and I respect all other views on it.

Everything Fades with time. Plus, like I have said 3 times already, stuff is MUCH more memorable if you were there to see it. That is one of the reasons why I hold more importance to this day than you, since you were not old enough to comprehend all of it.

The reason why 9/11 is so terrible in American's minds is because it was the first attack on American soil since Pearl Harbor. Everyone was shocked and sad when it happened. The reason why we don't remember Pearl Harbor as vividly is because the generation that experienced it is nearly all dead, and their children were, again, too young to remember it or not born yet. But if you go to the Lincoln Memorial, directly across the Reflecting Pool is a monument dedicated to Pearl Harbor. I'm almost positive there will be a similar monument made somewhere, if it hasn't been made already.

Quote from: tylerhan2000 on September 12, 2012, 02:58:55 PM
Btw. The rest of the world doesn't see what's so bad about the 9th of November, (9/11)

You're right, the rest of the world doesn't see what's so bad about the 9th of November, (9/11) - Because this horrifying tragedy occurred on the 11th of September, (9/11)

Quote from: tylerhan2000 on September 12, 2012, 10:28:31 PM
3000 people died in pearl habour, it was unexpected and war was not declared yet. Why doesn't the whole country take a moment of silence on December 7, 1941? People will move on. And yes, it was a event that was terrorizing and I respect all other views on it.

Pearl Harbor was a military base, nearly all those who perished that day were enlisted.

Twin Towers casualties were civilians. There is a massive difference between the two events.

In both horrific events, the U.S. learned who the enemies of our nation were, planned strategies, organized troops and supplies. Then retaliated

“...in war, they will kill some of us; we shall destroy all of them”
― Thomas Jefferson

"The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his."
― George S. Patton

“It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died. Rather, we should thank God that such men lived.”
― George S. Patton Jr.

Quote from: Alpha_Lance on September 13, 2012, 03:47:24 AM

Quote from: tylerhan2000 on September 12, 2012, 02:58:55 PM
Btw. The rest of the world doesn't see what's so bad about the 9th of November, (9/11)

You're right, the rest of the world doesn't see what's so bad about the 9th of November, (9/11) - Because this horrifying tragedy occurred on the 11th of September, (9/11)

not true i saw it, i even saw footage of inside the building. we do see whats wrong with it. but we don't mourn the dead. we just get television specials over conspiracy theories we don't give a rats ass about o.o
of course we know that it was horrifying, a kid in my class knew someone who died there(on a holiday).
but its not connected to most of us(as non-americans)

9/11 isn't something that should be forgotten and for those of us that actually remember that day it's something that cannot ever be forgotten. I remember like ti was yesterday, 11 years ago, being in class all the teachers getting calls and having that look of horror on their face, hearing the principle over the loud speaker saying how we're all being sent home. i looked out the window in my classroom and looked at the sky and just wondered...." what is going on out there". I lived 3 hours from the towers, 3 hours from the Flight 93 crash, and 2 1/2 hours from the Pentagon, so all this was fairly close to me. I sat there at my house waiting for my mom to get home from work , watching the news, i watched the towers get hit and watched them fall. i was terrified. i was only 9 years old but i knew something had just happened that will change our country. Just like how those people that survived pearl harbor knew something big had just happened in History.
Yes, people die everyday, its a part of life, and everyone deserves to be remembered. but when a mass amount of people are killed, the remembrance is something that goes without question. September 11th is another day that goes down in infamy, just like December 7th 1941 ( pearl harbor ) , and June 6th 1944( D-Day ).

We need to remember things to learn from them. If we forget our past we are bound to make the same mistakes.

September 11th isn't meant to make people think of Muslims, Al-Qaeda, conspiracy theory's, and cause hatred, It's to keep the memory alive of those lost.

I saw some pictures in third grade of the explosion and smoke and it looked like giant mashed potatoes - horror. Tyler, we wont forget about it, why the hell would we, it's what started the war, the terrorists screwed shit up it's kinda like a tradition to always take a moment of silence and not move on from it. I also think that 911 is worse than pearl harbor because hiroshima and that other city was bombed by the first used attomic bombs (little boy and fat man). And something cool i think is is that i think the terrorists planned the bombing for 911 because that is the emerganecy number for emergency's, and it was a big emergency. Oh and we didnt take a moment of silence here cause its germany (not america).

It is not the fault of the Muslims. Last year we studied the religion in History, and believe it or not,

Osama broke several rules of the Muslim religion. There are rules of war in the Islam religion.

Don't remember all of them but two I remember are...

1. You are not to destroy anything.
2. You are not to kill children
3. You are not to kill any innocents

I know it turned out to be three but whatever. So don't blame it on Islam. It was Osama himself.

Quote from: gameguy96 on September 13, 2012, 04:43:05 PM

Quote from: Alpha_Lance on September 13, 2012, 03:47:24 AM
You're right, the rest of the world doesn't see what's so bad about the 9th of November, (9/11) - Because this horrifying tragedy occurred on the 11th of September, (9/11)

not true i saw it, i even saw footage of inside the building. we do see whats wrong with it. but we don't mourn the dead. we just get television specials over conspiracy theories we don't give a rats ass about o.o
of course we know that it was horrifying, a kid in my class knew someone who died there(on a holiday).
but its not connected to most of us(as non-americans)

I believe you misunderstood my post - I quoted Tyler's post and corrected him.

Quote from: tylerhan2000 on September 12, 2012, 02:58:55 PM
Btw. The rest of the world doesn't see what's so bad about the 9th of November, (9/11)

Tyler does not have his facts straight.

The horrific event of 9/11 occurred on September 11th, not November 9th.

Quote from: Alpha_Lance on September 14, 2012, 12:01:44 AM

Quote from: gameguy96 on September 13, 2012, 04:43:05 PM

Quote from: Alpha_Lance on September 13, 2012, 03:47:24 AM
You're right, the rest of the world doesn't see what's so bad about the 9th of November, (9/11) - Because this horrifying tragedy occurred on the 11th of September, (9/11)

not true i saw it, i even saw footage of inside the building. we do see whats wrong with it. but we don't mourn the dead. we just get television specials over conspiracy theories we don't give a rats ass about o.o
of course we know that it was horrifying, a kid in my class knew someone who died there(on a holiday).
but its not connected to most of us(as non-americans)

oh sorry mate
I believe you misunderstood my post - I quoted Tyler's post and corrected him.

Quote from: tylerhan2000 on September 12, 2012, 02:58:55 PM
Btw. The rest of the world doesn't see what's so bad about the 9th of November, (9/11)

Tyler does not have his facts straight.

The horrific event of 9/11 occurred on September 11th, not November 9th.

you guys are gonna think Im a jerk for saying this, but honestly, I think we need to let it go, it's been 11 years. America has caused greater grief to other countries, also why should the world feel our pain?

As someone from the UK, there's little to no coverage of it now. I remember there being a few programs last year, but over here, seems we've just moved on and gotten over it. Only minutes of silence we ever have are for D-Day i think it is, which, by the way, is the 11'th Second of the 11'th minute of the 11'th hour of the 11'th day of the 11'th month

Quote from: gavinNUMBERS on September 14, 2012, 08:31:12 PM
you guys are gonna think Im a jerk for saying this, but honestly, I think we need to let it go, it's been 11 years. America has caused greater grief to other countries, also why should the world feel our pain?

The last part is true. 1946, I believe. Mr Nixon decides a good idea is to atomic bomb Japan. While effective...just unethical.

Quote from: SnapeTheSnipe on September 14, 2012, 10:10:32 PM

Quote from: gavinNUMBERS on September 14, 2012, 08:31:12 PM
you guys are gonna think Im a jerk for saying this, but honestly, I think we need to let it go, it's been 11 years. America has caused greater grief to other countries, also why should the world feel our pain?

The last part is true. 1946, I believe. Mr Nixon decides a good idea is to atomic bomb Japan. While effective...just unethical.

August 6,1945 was the dropping of the first atomic bomb on Hiroshima (aka the dropping of the "Little Boy" bomb). 3 days later on August 9,1945, "Fat Man" was dropped on Nagasaki. It was not Mr. Nixon who made the call because this was before Nixon's time (he took office in 1969). It was actually Harry Truman, the Vice President of Franklin Delano Roosevelt who took office when FDR passed away. While you can argue if it was ethical or unethical to drop atomic bombs on Japan, remember that the US was in a war with them in the first place. It did not happen because the US felt like bombing a random country.

However, I do like the comparison. Because even though it was a war, it is the closest comparison anyone has made so far of 9/11 in the world's history. Because what happened on 9/11 and in Hiroshima and Nagasaki gave great CIVILIAN casualties as opposed to soldier casualties. Hiroshima and Nagasaki's attacks still have effect on people today (survivors of the bombing, who have traces of radiation on them).

Quote from: Alpha_Lance on September 14, 2012, 12:01:44 AM

Quote from: gameguy96 on September 13, 2012, 04:43:05 PM

Quote from: Alpha_Lance on September 13, 2012, 03:47:24 AM
You're right, the rest of the world doesn't see what's so bad about the 9th of November, (9/11) - Because this horrifying tragedy occurred on the 11th of September, (9/11)

not true i saw it, i even saw footage of inside the building. we do see whats wrong with it. but we don't mourn the dead. we just get television specials over conspiracy theories we don't give a rats ass about o.o
of course we know that it was horrifying, a kid in my class knew someone who died there(on a holiday).
but its not connected to most of us(as non-americans)

I believe you misunderstood my post - I quoted Tyler's post and corrected him.

Quote from: tylerhan2000 on September 12, 2012, 02:58:55 PM
Btw. The rest of the world doesn't see what's so bad about the 9th of November, (9/11)

Tyler does not have his facts straight.

The horrific event of 9/11 occurred on September 11th, not November 9th.

Dude. Im just making fun of the fact that Americans have their date system different to the entire world.
Everywhere else, it goes DD/MM/YYYY, in America, its MM/DD/YYYY, so 9/11/(2001) would actually be 11/9/(2001) everywhere else. A lot of people around the world actually get confused because of that.
just saying. And this:

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I still love America :3 My favorite next door neighbour for buying designer goods from














Also. Haroshima is not a war crime/terrorism. War has been declared on japan for a good 4 years, and they recieved abundant warnings which they chose to ignore. They were given the option to surrender after Haroshima, instead they declined and that resulted in the bombing of Nagasaki. After that, they still refused to surrender, the US send a NORMAL bombing run over Tokyo as a fair warning for whats coming next, and finally Japan gave in.

9/11. Perfectly fine day, Airport security was chill and laid back. 4 airliners get hijacked out of nowhere, 3000 innocent people die without warning.

If you want to see a real war crime, look at the Holocaust and this(NSFW): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_of_Nanking