Opticraft Community

Quote from: SalasCraft on May 23, 2012, 01:36:34 PM

Quote from: atdfbttl15 on May 23, 2012, 01:21:02 PM

Quote from: SalasCraft on May 23, 2012, 11:35:01 AM
Tabooti, I think there are far more issues server wise than bothering the admins with this nonsense

Man you can delete this template with only one click!

Do you see my current rank?

sorry i didn't mean to offense you. I have been rude.

I meant these dark jokes. Dark jokes, belong in 4chan.
Opticraft is a place where we should be playing minecraft. not where he have banners with communist icons.

I'm quite sure that even Raul would be offended if someone made jokes about the holocaust here. Because this isn't the place for it.

And the communist symbol represents something even worse than the holocaust. It represents engineered famines in countries like the Ukraine. Where they starved 7 million people, because they had a nationality. And those survives, said that not even Auschwitz was worse than this soviet famine. Watch the documentary, and then come tell me how it's a joke.

4chan is no place for civilized arguments, that's why I'm saying that this kind of dark humor belongs there. NOT here.

Before I PM Optical about this. Who agrees that having the banner there is unacceptable? Just so I can present some numbers to optical?
PM it to me if you like, I'll keep you anonymous if want.

I do agree with you that the symbol might be offensive in some situations, but I do not agree on being so frantic about it. Whoever comes on the internet knows what he's going off to. The internet will never be taken seriously, that's the reality of things.
I honestly don't care if it's there or not, no one comes on the site to see the logo, and to mourn deaths, someone might be bothered by it, true but he's just gonna scroll down and forget about it seconds later.

Lol I laughed the first time I saw this banner, a part of my family is Grussian and the russian part of my family where Executed by Nazi's, I'll be honest the SOVIET flag dosen't affect me at all.
I'm sorry Tabooti but I think you are over reacting with this now... btw how is the Soviet's flag related to Germans anyway??

Tabooti, are you stupid? In its context the logo has no negative connotations or allusions to anything. It is simply an Easter egg.

You cannot just hide and shun anything that may be related to other bad things in life. So what if communists did terrible things? We're not condoning their actions at all. You and Zezenov have two german themed cities. The Germans committed horrible war crimes. Heck, I distinctly remember a flash video from stetting depicting a war on griefers, alluding to the wars Germany fought in. Simply because there may be some link to a horrible event, doesn't mean we should wipe out everything and anything associated with it.

The hammer and sickle does not represent injustice, and neither does communism.

You really need to just chill the fuck out. The banner is displayed every 1 in 1500 and has no negative connotations in its context. Get off your crusade for justice, you are way out of line here.

No, I'm not stupid.

This isn't about hiding & shunning something. This is about being tolerant towards tolerating hate symbols.
But I don't believe a communist icon is appropriate, in the same sense that a swastika would be appropriate, just because it's displayed as an Easter egg. 

The Hammer and Sickle may not have represented injustice, and neither did the swastika. But both sides have committed genocides, and justified it with those icons.
The communists have committed far worse crimes than the Nazis, such as the Holodomor.

And sorry to hear about your family XpLoZzIv, But I'm trying to make a comparison. We all know that if that communist banner was a nazi one instead, everyone would be complaining. Maybe not as much as I am, but the point is clear. 

Quote from: Hasan -Tabooti on May 23, 2012, 02:47:44 PM
No, I'm not stupid.

This isn't about hiding & shunning something. This is about being tolerant towards tolerating hate symbols.
But I don't believe a communist icon is appropriate, in the same sense that a swastika would be appropriate, just because it's displayed as an Easter egg. 

The Hammer and Sickle may not have represented injustice, and neither did the swastika. But both sides have committed genocides, and justified it with those icons.
The communists have committed far worse crimes than the Nazis, such as the Holodomor.

And sorry to hear about your family XpLoZzIv, But I'm trying to make a comparison. We all know that if that communist banner was a nazi one instead, everyone would be complaining. Maybe not as much as I am, but the point is clear. 

Well perhaps he should remove the ores too, 'cause Iron, Gold, Diamonds were probably used to manufacture weapons of mass destruction who have ruined the life of many people.

That's a silly comparison, and you know it.

Guys lets dont insult eachother anymore. Tabooti wanted to explain his idea about this logo and he has a point. But, i don't think that it should be removed as it is a gift for spending time on the forums. I think the two parts of this discuss (Againist the logo and supporters of the logo) should calm down a little. We can't make the other side to think like us by insulting them.

Sorry for the grammar mistakes.

Thanks for reading

If a nation has an ideology (communist, socialist, etc.) and commits genocide, that doesn't mean communism is a bad thing. The soviet union could have been a good thing if let's say, maybe they had another leader. It's a matter of respecting other's ideas.

The same thing can be said about Nazism, yet you don't see Nazi flags flattering around in Europe, or Israel. There's a reason why the communist symbol is banned in Slavic Europe, as a hate symbol. I didn't invent all of this you know? I'm not the only one who finds this icon offensive.

Quote from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hammer_and_sickle#Controversy
However, in several countries in Eastern Europe, there are laws that define the hammer and sickle as the symbol of a "totalitarian and criminal ideology", and the public display of the hammer and sickle and other communist symbols such as the red star is considered a criminal offence. Hungary,[3] Lithuania[4] have banned the symbol along with other communist symbols. A similar law was considered in Estonia, but eventually failed in a parliamentary committee. The foreign ministers of Lithuania, Latvia, Bulgaria, Hungary, Romania and the Czech Republic called for an EU-wide ban on communist symbols in 2010, urging the EU "to criminalize the approval, denial or belittling of communist crimes" and stating that "the denial of such crimes should be treated the same way as the denial of the Holocaust and must be banned by law"

There you have multiple countries banning it. And I'm not insulting anyone atdfbttl15, I'm mocking the comparison between colored blocks, and a politically themed banner.
Putting up a swastika and saying "This is not in any political sense" is equal to saying "Not be racist, but you're inferior.".

Guys chill out Optical said it is going to stay so just let it drop.

I'm afraid I'm with Tabooti here.

Just because it is 1 in 1500, are you saying that it is ok to have 1 in 1500 houses having a swastica flag?

The fact that there is no english text on it at all, save the word "Opticraft" worsens it. Say a new member joins, and sees that. (We're already over 10k members at the last announcement, I assume that some must have seen it first time).
What is he going to thing, that Opticraft promotes communism?

There is a line between captioning a picture of an infamous leader to say something stupid, and having what could be called a "Joke with no punchline". Yes, it is meant to be an easter egg, but funny? I don't see what is funny about having an orange square, even if it didn't use the communist logo.

I believe that Tabooti has made a fair and valid arguement so far, and I am 100% in support of him. As I said before, a picture of something that could, and does, offend someone posted on the forum is one thing, but being endorsed by the owner..?

This is getting beyond pathetic now... Tabooti, if you don't like it I suggest you dont make such a deal over it and it will be forgotten.