Opticraft Community
Discussion forum => Legacy => Archives => Suggestions => Topic started by: NatanylJames (N8MATTHEWS) on September 30, 2012, 08:18:02 pm
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i really like tekkit and im sure alot of others do too. Now im not saying turn this exact server into a tekkit server but i would like to see opticraft have a tekkit server. I haven't been able to find a tekkit server that i like and really want to play on one since playing tekkit by yourself isn't really fun. Opticraft has one of the best cummunities out there and has very good decision making which could lead to a good tekkit server. I know this idea will probably be shot down but i just thought it was cool.
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Tekkit is fun, don't get me wrong, but I don't think we should make a tekkit server.
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I think Tekkit would be amazing. The only problem I can see is ops/admins being a bit too... controlling.
If a Tekkit server is made, I think it would be best if only a few items were banned.
I'm talking about the advanced armours, the RM tools etc.
If that is considered too dangerous, perhaps whitelist and allow only trusted+ or some other sort of whitelisting/screening process to prevent it turning into a Minecraft + a few more items, or "Everyone nuke everthing!" server.
There is a triangle between being too exclusive, too controlling and too griefable, which needs to either be balanced, or just say "screw it", and only allow a certain group of players who are well known and trusted throughout the community.
There would also be an issue of staffing, if this does happen. I would suggest a new group of players (In the same way Classic and SMP are different, even if there are overlaps). Making mods+ also staff on Tekkit, would cause several problems, the first being that there would be nearly no staff on the vanilla server.
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I would like a tekkit server, it just needs to be done in the right way.
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Even if we wanted to do this, we dont have the manpower.
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Yeah, I would like it if we had a tekkit server. It could work out well. :D
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I think Tekkit would be amazing. The only problem I can see is ops/admins being a bit too... controlling.
If a Tekkit server is made, I think it would be best if only a few items were banned.
I'm talking about the advanced armours, the RM tools etc.
If that is considered too dangerous, perhaps whitelist and allow only trusted+ or some other sort of whitelisting/screening process to prevent it turning into a Minecraft + a few more items, or "Everyone nuke everthing!" server.
There is a triangle between being too exclusive, too controlling and too griefable, which needs to either be balanced, or just say "screw it", and only allow a certain group of players who are well known and trusted throughout the community.
There would also be an issue of staffing, if this does happen. I would suggest a new group of players (In the same way Classic and SMP are different, even if there are overlaps). Making mods+ also staff on Tekkit, would cause several problems, the first being that there would be nearly no staff on the vanilla server.
TL;DR
I would like a tekkit server, it just needs to be done in the right way.
That's why i think opticraft would be good for this. Alot of servers are to controlling or dont have enough control, and with opticraft i can see that optical and nick take thier time to make the right decisions, and dont jump to conclusions. Thats why i think they would be good at this.
Even if we wanted to do this, we dont have the manpower.
By anpower what do you mean? Like people to control it? Like mods and Admins nessisary to run it?
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I think he means equipment and server power for a tekkit server. It uses twice the ram and procesing power.
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That and we don't have enough man power like nick said. You guys already complain about us not having mods on at certain times. Think if there was tekkit we would need the mods to moderate both and then there would be less on the SMP.
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it would have to be a very different Renoir than most know so it could be easier to moderate
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Well. Get donating.
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As well as LogBlock ignores or doesn't support most of the materials that are used in Tekkit, so it be hard for us to moderate the server.
Running a Tekkit server is much more involved than a vanilla server. Disabling Equivanlent Exchange is a good start (as it adds lots of destructive items, as well as being overpowered) and I believe RP2 is getting a lot of changes to make it work better with Bukkit.
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As well as LogBlock ignores or doesn't support most of the materials that are used in Tekkit, so it be hard for us to moderate the server.
Running a Tekkit server is much more involved than a vanilla server. Disabling Equivanlent Exchange is a good start (as it adds lots of destructive items, as well as being overpowered) and I believe RP2 is getting a lot of changes to make it work better with Bukkit.
Yes, this is indeed the case with Tekkit. Unless Optical and his dev team spent countless hours adding ALL the blocks to LogBlock, the server would HAVE to been under constant moderation, and any griefings would probably not be able to be fixed. However, if the server was to, as ClawStrider said:
If that is considered too dangerous, perhaps whitelist and allow only trusted+ or some other sort of whitelisting/screening process to prevent it turning into a Minecraft + a few more items, or "Everyone nuke everthing!" server.
Turn into a server with Trusted+ only on it, then griefing could be more or less prevented to an extent.
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Or just as a trial, we could have a $5 entry fee for those that really want to get on.
This way the server is pretty much 99.9% grief free.
The fee money could go towards running the server etc. It could have something like 20 player slots, nothing too fancy.
But I'm just talking rubbish now, I don't think we'll be getting a Tekkit server.
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Even if we wanted to do this, we dont have the manpower.
I would disagree. Yes, draft a few people in from SMP, but I think, if we keep the server fairly small, there are many new people who "could" be mods, and we would also get new players to reinforce that.
I think he means equipment and server power for a tekkit server. It uses twice the ram and procesing power.
I don't think so, he would have said server power or whatever if that was the issue.
Well. Get donating.
Could we have some sort of "Donate for Tekkit" fund? Is that possible? As in a way to say "I want this donation to go towards the purchase of a Tekkit server".
As well as LogBlock ignores or doesn't support most of the materials that are used in Tekkit, so it be hard for us to moderate the server.
Running a Tekkit server is much more involved than a vanilla server. Disabling Equivanlent Exchange is a good start (as it adds lots of destructive items, as well as being overpowered) and I believe RP2 is getting a lot of changes to make it work better with Bukkit.
No.
This is exactly what I was saying about being too controlling. 1. I've played on many servers who have antigrief on Tekkit. I'm sure Opticraft will cope somehow.
And removing one of, if not the, biggest mod in Tekkit? and definitly the most fun. No thanks.
Or just as a trial, we could have a $5 entry fee for those that really want to get on.
This way the server is pretty much 99.9% grief free.
The fee money could go towards running the server etc. It could have something like 20 player slots, nothing too fancy.
But I'm just talking rubbish now, I don't think we'll be getting a Tekkit server.
This idea is awesome.
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To be honest in this, I wouldn't mind having a tekkit server for a couple reasons
1) It'll defiantly make opticraft unique, cause I've played on a few tekkit servers and they're laggy as hell! If we have a tekkit server (lag free) I'm sure that we'll be able to pull a lot more new guests and members into the community.
2) It'll give players a new experiences in game.
However, the downside will be that less members/guests (or what ever you want to say) will be on vanilla, and that's the sole purpose of opticraft, is to keep the most vanilla server without ruining the fun enjoyable experience that players have.
I've watched a few tekkit videos on youtube and I've noticed a few key things, they WILL have they positives and negatives. One of the main things is going to be quarries. Sure they mine minerals and stuff, but if this server were to be opened to the general public people are going to grief the shit out of everything. Another problem we're going to face is the mining robots, they break through blocks and can cause a fair bit of dammage if not controlled properly.
So in conclusion a lot of things are going to be removed. The things that are going to be removed will cause an uproar in the community; "Why isn't there quarries" "How come I cant use my mining laser" "why is it saying 'you're not allowed to craft this item' why?"
Like the basic things about tekkit will have to be thought upon. Another case being jetpacks! Yes they're fun and all but this gives players the opportunity to sneak into other players homes and grief.
I could go on and on about the pros and cons about tekkit servers.
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Another thing about Tekkit is that, as a massive player myself, after a while, it becomes boring. Once you get stacks and stacks and stacks of Red Matter and 20 MFSU's completely full, Tekkit becomes...boring. I mean, at that tme, you have essentially 'completed' Tekkit as there is no more to do. Because of this, perhaps we could have a reset map every month or something like that.
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We could have these discussions about the positives and negatives of having an additional Tekkit server for hours on end, however it's not confirmed that we are going to have one.
Keep in mind that our next server will be a PvP based server with multiple game-modes (which involves a lot of work to do; coding/map making etc), so I don't think we'll be getting a Tekkit server any time sooner.
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Yeah, ultimately I agree with Mr. Henz here. I doubt that we will in the forseeable future get a Tekkit server. However, I think it IS a possibility for Optical to implement; however, it will take a great deal of time and patience (From us) for him to even CONSIDER setting up a Tekkit server.
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What if we have a whitelisted thing where u have to donate like someone else said, or could be whitelisted to opticraft members only?
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What if we have a whitelisted thing where u have to donate like someone else said, or could be whitelisted to opticraft members only?
If it were whitelisted to Opticraft members, it may reduce griefings by a small amount, as it literally takes a minute to register on the forums and instantly become a member. Donating would reduce the griefing amount by a lot, as you need to...donate.
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What if we have a whitelisted thing where u have to donate like someone else said, or could be whitelisted to opticraft members only?
If it were whitelisted to Opticraft members, it may reduce griefings by a small amount, as it literally takes a minute to register on the forums and instantly become a member. Donating would reduce the griefing amount by a lot, as you need to...donate.
No not members+ but like do it by play time. After X ammount of hours your eligible to play on it and then you have to donate to get whitelisted. Play time only makes you eligible
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What if we have a whitelisted thing where u have to donate like someone else said, or could be whitelisted to opticraft members only?
If it were whitelisted to Opticraft members, it may reduce griefings by a small amount, as it literally takes a minute to register on the forums and instantly become a member. Donating would reduce the griefing amount by a lot, as you need to...donate.
No not members+ but like do it by play time. After X ammount of hours your eligible to play on it and then you have to donate to get whitelisted. Play time only makes you eligible
Ah, okay, well, that could potentially work. I now see your logic.
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What about:
Donate $5 for access to the server (And possibly trusted/builder+)
Harsh, i know. This would combat griefers and help fund the server.
Map reset each month
This would combat griefers(Why bother griefing if it will be reset anyway) and stop it getting boring. Possibly you can pay a small fee ($1?) to have a build moved by an admin to the new world. Undecided about carrying over inventory.
No quarries near spawn and maybe rule about tree cutting (leaving a floating tree)
Stops world getting too ugly
Banned items
Will try to get one done tonight (I'm at school ATM). 100% no "carpet banning" of mods. Just items from mods.
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What about:
Donate $5 for access to the server (And possibly trusted/builder+)
Harsh, i know. This would combat griefers and help fund the server.
Map reset each month
This would combat griefers(Why bother griefing if it will be reset anyway) and stop it getting boring. Possibly you can pay a small fee ($1?) to have a build moved by an admin to the new world. Undecided about carrying over inventory.
No quarries near spawn and maybe rule about tree cutting (leaving a floating tree)
Stops world getting too ugly
Banned items
Will try to get one done tonight (I'm at school ATM). 100% no "carpet banning" of mods. Just items from mods.
How about only Trusted+ get free access to the server, but in order to get the RESTRICTED items, they need to pay $5? Members or below need to pay $10 to get access to the server PLUS $5 to get access to the RESTRICTED items, making in total $15. I am quite certain that this would help with the funds of the server, and there would be more incentive to be a good player on the Vanilla servers to become Trusted.
And now, onto the Restricted items. The Restricted items should consist of items that COULD cause griefings, such as Nukes, Nuclear Reactors, Destruction Catylysts, Mining Lasers, etc. as to prevent griefing even more.
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Hmm... Alright.
I would happily donate for the full tekkit experience.
Also, if you are caught griefing, it's permanent ban with no refunds. Risk of loosing money should stop most people
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Biggest problem I have seen on techit servers is once a curtain amount of people get destruction catalysts or quarries the world becomes hollowed out.... Dig below like level 50 and you fall to your death. people mine like crazy to get there items up for the things that come with EE, It is a major hasle and often map resets every couple weeks or so becuase you can't keep up with the world being mined away....
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Biggest problem I have seen on techit servers is once a curtain amount of people get destruction catalysts or quarries the world becomes hollowed out.... Dig below like level 50 and you fall to your death. people mine like crazy to get there items up for the things that come with EE, It is a major hasle and often map resets every couple weeks or so becuase you can't keep up with the world being mined away....
You're possibly thinking about the worst Tekkit servers you've seen, in which I don't think that would happen, if these are followed as discussed; donating for entry, trusted players, minimum amount of slots, smart community etc.
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Keep in mind that our next server will be a PvP based server with multiple game-modes (which involves a lot of work to do; coding/map making etc), so I don't think we'll be getting a Tekkit server any time sooner.
This is 100% wrong, we are NOT be getting a pvp server.
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Keep in mind that our next server will be a PvP based server with multiple game-modes (which involves a lot of work to do; coding/map making etc), so I don't think we'll be getting a Tekkit server any time sooner.
This is 100% wrong, we are NOT be getting a pvp server.
Oh really? :|
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Biggest problem I have seen on techit servers is once a curtain amount of people get destruction catalysts or quarries the world becomes hollowed out.... Dig below like level 50 and you fall to your death. people mine like crazy to get there items up for the things that come with EE, It is a major hasle and often map resets every couple weeks or so becuase you can't keep up with the world being mined away....
If a server map is completely hollow within a few weeks, then dedz to that server, for having enough players to do that. We definitly won't, and map resets each month will help.
Nick, is there a decent chance of this? Should we keep brainstorming?
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Keep in mind that our next server will be a PvP based server with multiple game-modes (which involves a lot of work to do; coding/map making etc), so I don't think we'll be getting a Tekkit server any time sooner.
This is 100% wrong, we are NOT be getting a pvp server.
Oh really? :|
We're getting a PvP arena, not server :P
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Oh really? :|
Read the topic in the staff section, it is their to prevent this exact thing from happening. Since you are both wrong, it is not an arena, and it is not a server.
If a server map is completely hollow within a few weeks, then dedz to that server, for having enough players to do that. We definitly won't, and map resets each month will help.
Nick, is there a decent chance of this? Should we keep brainstorming?
No, there is pretty much no chance of this. Not only do we not have the manpower to do so (people to build, regulate, and maintain the server) but it has not even been discussesd as an option ever.
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Alright, thanks anyway.
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but it has not even been discussesd as an option ever.
Arnt we discussing it now? I mean unless you mean with optical
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This does NOT qualify as 'discussing about an Opticraft Tekkit Server.' It has only been suggested-- NOT discussed.
You all have to realize that this would only tighten up Optical's resources even more if he did this.
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Oh my, how laggy all the servers would be
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This does NOT qualify as 'discussing about an Opticraft Tekkit Server.' It has only been suggested-- NOT discussed.
You all have to realize that this would only tighten up Optical's resources even more if he did this.
Oh, what is the difference? I get that its suggested i made the suggestion, but what has to happen for it to qualify it as discussed? I mean there is 3 pages of us all giving ideas and DISCUSSING the idea at hand. By descussion do you mean by nick/relkeb/optical/and nyssa? Because if thats what you mean by disscussed then thats dofferent. Thats more of what does the bigger person think. And seeing as nick has given his thought on this shouldnt that count? I mean dont get me wrong but i made the sudgestion and then the comments are the discussion you are talking about.
Maybe you mean disscussed offically? Like something nick posted for us to talk about? Even so we have disscused this between alot of us. Discussed is a very open term like things or good, it has multiple meanings and could be taken different ways.so that could be the confusion, could you clarify what your meaning of discussed means? Maybe that would help.
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By discussed i meant between the senior staff.
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Friend of mine hosts Tekkit on a box very similar to this one, and his server is full with 150 to 200 players (depends on which one he sets the cap at). Runs perfectly as long as he doesn't raise the cap past 200.
He gets 1K in donations per month or more, and he's shown me his paypal account to prove it. Hell, I might start one up on my box (obviously cant give any IPs or connect info here to abide by the rules). Tekkit isn't AS CPU and Memory intensive as people think SO LONG AS you disable Computercraft and Frame Motors because those lil fuckers take up a lot of cpu.
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Thats great and all but we just are not prepared to start another server at the moment.
BTW thanks for posting the donation info, but opticraft is not in the business of making money so bragging about it here will get you nowhere.
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Could we form a petition?
I know I may not speak for everyone, but I would prefer a Tekkit server to a pvp server.
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Could we form a petition?
I know I may not speak for everyone, but I would prefer a Tekkit server to a pvp server.
Whether we have a petition or not, it's going to come down to having the right resources and manpower to actually run the server.
Plus we're not having a PvP server either, so that last sentence is pointless.
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If We were to make the server white listed we could control the grifers and only allow trustworthy people. There Would Be An Aplication for it. Then Once We get more moderators and ops we can open it up. Not to sure if this would work but its and idea
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To prevent further arguments can we lock this. It seems to me that Nick has said this won't happen in the near future, isn't in any discussions right now and I just see more arguments popping up in this topic.
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You all may have theories, suggestions, and ideas on how it'll work, but like I said it comes down to this:
No, there is pretty much no chance of this. Not only do we not have the manpower to do so (people to build, regulate, and maintain the server) but it has not even been discussesd as an option ever.
So, all the ideas we're coming up with may sound great, but we just can't afford another server right now.
Like Nick also said.
I'm locking this, thanks for all the suggestions.