Is the removal because people are make a HELL of a lot of money from melon/pumpkin auto farms? If so, why don't you just lower the sell price AGAIN.We dont like the idea of players getting rich off of afking.
Is the removal because people are make a HELL of a lot of money from melon/pumpkin auto farms? If so, why don't you just lower the sell price AGAIN.We dont like the idea of players getting rich off of afking.
Is the removal because people are make a HELL of a lot of money from melon/pumpkin auto farms? If so, why don't you just lower the sell price AGAIN.We dont like the idea of players getting rich off of afking.
Hmm. Well will what will we sell to get money? Wheat? You guys can decide.
A large part of the problem is the lag the redstone circuits and pistons cause in this extreme scale. Even the efficient farms like Skittcatts in enderopolis cost significant CPU time when there are so many of them.
We are going to add sell signs for pistons so you are able to recoup your costs to some extent.
Instead of removal, just reduce their selling price dramatically. Selling two and a half stacks of pumpkin shouldn't be equal to what a diamond sells for at the market. Completely removing them from the market will make a lot of people's farms and the work they put into them useless.
A large part of the problem is the lag the redstone circuits and pistons cause in this extreme scale. Even the efficient farms like Skittcatts in enderopolis cost significant CPU time when there are so many of them.
I doubt mine takes up that much.
By removing the pumpkins/melons from the market is good for two reasons/statements
1) people are not making money by afking.
2) remember this, this IS a survival server; is afking really part of a survival aspect?
Cant tell if serious.....By removing the pumpkins/melons from the market is good for two reasons/statements
1) people are not making money by afking.
2) remember this, this IS a survival server; is afking really part of a survival aspect?
How do you think people make money in the real world? By farming! And I bet they're AFK half the time too.
Instead of removal, just reduce their selling price dramatically. Selling two and a half stacks of pumpkin shouldn't be equal to what a diamond sells for at the market.
To save time, I'll post just about every comment you will get:
Raargh, my melon farm *Rage*. Spent so much money on it, it's not fair! You can't change market!! *Rage* So... angry...
Not that I agree with that, but there you go.
Are people still going to be able to afk at spawners? That's way more resource demanding than anything I've ever done.I would love to see your evidence to back up this claim.
Are people still going to be able to afk at spawners? That's way more resource demanding than anything I've ever done.Tighter mob throttling on spawners will be coming soon to prevent that exact issue.
Im a newish player.. been here for about two-three weeks. its taken me A LOT to buy the few 11x11 stones i have. and thats just so my base camp doesnt get griefed, and so 1 mob spawner i found doesnt get taken before i can afford to build on it.
what about the time ive spent and diamond pickaxes wasted to clear an underground area for a farm? even then ive only scavenged enough resources for 1 level.. IF it wasnt found by griefers. But, I hoped to build on that and eventually have something that would generate a solid income.
now what are my options? Ive been told to spend "10minutes mining iron" and "work up form there". Im sorry, forgive my naiveté, but 50$ a ingot? (-charcoal used to create it..) 1100 ingots for the diamond ps? Ive spent a solid week trying to clear a 41x41x22 area.. ive found ~4stacks of iron... how is this is a viable source of income?
Some mentioned to open a shop, and if it gets griefed, call a mod to fix it. thats exactly how i want to play. instead of building awesome things, i can sit around spamming for people to visit my shop. just to sell a few stacks of sand or cobble for a couple hundred $. i have to worry about it getting griefed, and if it does, hope i get a mod who is sympathetic and not having a bad day "you should have protected it with a ps stone" (yes actual quote)
You guys are taking away pivotal items in your player based economy because "some members are getting too rich". But by doing this you hurt any player just trying to get on their feet... trying to build a presence on the server, to make a name for themselves.
but no. instead i i have to fight tooth and nail for small protection stones so i dont get griefed every day. Abandon a large project because now it means nothing. deal with other players building cities next to me just because they want to annoy someone... oh and there isnt any protection so too bad.
not that this post is going to make a difference. im the minority. im just another new player who is poor. haha sucks for me. why listen to me when you have (some) Trusteds circlejerking over themselves, and kissing up to mods.
Cant tell if serious.....By removing the pumpkins/melons from the market is good for two reasons/statements
1) people are not making money by afking.
2) remember this, this IS a survival server; is afking really part of a survival aspect?
How do you think people make money in the real world? By farming! And I bet they're AFK half the time too.
Cant tell if serious.....By removing the pumpkins/melons from the market is good for two reasons/statements
1) people are not making money by afking.
2) remember this, this IS a survival server; is afking really part of a survival aspect?
How do you think people make money in the real world? By farming! And I bet they're AFK half the time too.
LOL
I should at least get formal, server-wide recognition for having a farm that was so good the authorities had to intervene.
There are bigger farms on the server than yours.Cant tell if serious.....By removing the pumpkins/melons from the market is good for two reasons/statements
1) people are not making money by afking.
2) remember this, this IS a survival server; is afking really part of a survival aspect?
How do you think people make money in the real world? By farming! And I bet they're AFK half the time too.
LOL
I should at least get formal, server-wide recognition for having a farm that was so good the authorities had to intervene.
I've sold maybe two or three stacks of melons ever, so it's less than .00001%.Instead of removal, just reduce their selling price dramatically. Selling two and a half stacks of pumpkin shouldn't be equal to what a diamond sells for at the market.
The reason I see you oppose this is because your own a very large Mellon farm which you don't want to give up.
Can I ask how much of you money, percentage wise, came from selling melons; I believe it would be alot. So you made money from a natural game process rather then mining or actually working.
Are people still going to be able to afk at spawners? That's way more resource demanding than anything I've ever done.I would love to see your evidence to back up this claim.
See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MonsantoCant tell if serious.....By removing the pumpkins/melons from the market is good for two reasons/statements
1) people are not making money by afking.
2) remember this, this IS a survival server; is afking really part of a survival aspect?
How do you think people make money in the real world? By farming! And I bet they're AFK half the time too.
LOL
I should at least get formal, server-wide recognition for having a farm that was so good the authorities had to intervene.
You're not the first one.
Anyways
I just don't see how selling melons is more efficient than selling PURE iron gold bars.
Bigger, maybe, but not better. Mine is super efficient, emphasis on super, and designed specifically to avoid causing an overwhelming amount of lag. Anyways, I never heard it mentioned once until I saw people at my farm non-stop. I literally had to move my home and play on my brother's account to avoid all the attention. ;DThere are bigger farms on the server than yours.Cant tell if serious.....By removing the pumpkins/melons from the market is good for two reasons/statements
1) people are not making money by afking.
2) remember this, this IS a survival server; is afking really part of a survival aspect?
How do you think people make money in the real world? By farming! And I bet they're AFK half the time too.
LOL
I should at least get formal, server-wide recognition for having a farm that was so good the authorities had to intervene.
Everyone should read what cschurz posted.
Guys? I want to mention that since the price on mellons dropped at 480$ I have seen the server with 50-100 players less.If people want to leave because they can't gain massive amounts of money really fast, more power to them.
Can you tell me when was the last time with 230+++ players online?
When was the time with 200 players online?
Guys? Now, I see on average 80, with top 130-+?. Have you realised why?
Bigger, maybe, but not better. Mine is super efficient, emphasis on super, and designed specifically to avoid causing an overwhelming amount of lag. Anyways, I never heard it mentioned once until I saw people at my farm non-stop. I literally had to move my home and play on my brother's account to avoid all the attention. ;D
Now you're just putting words in mouth.QuoteBigger, maybe, but not better. Mine is super efficient, emphasis on super, and designed specifically to avoid causing an overwhelming amount of lag. Anyways, I never heard it mentioned once until I saw people at my farm non-stop. I literally had to move my home and play on my brother's account to avoid all the attention. ;D
Now you're an expert on craftbukkit++'s internals in regards to redstone circuits?
please, you've only spammed the topic thus far with ridiculous crap. you're not helping anything. Keep this topic to well-reasoned complaints and discussion.
LOLQuit swinging your dick around before I put a formal end to it.
I should at least get formal, server-wide recognition for having a farm that was so good the authorities had to intervene.
The opening post says feel free to vent. I didn't realize I was excluded.LOLQuit swinging your dick around before I put a formal end to it.
I should at least get formal, server-wide recognition for having a farm that was so good the authorities had to intervene.
The opening post says feel free to vent. I didn't realize I was excluded.LOLQuit swinging your dick around before I put a formal end to it.
I should at least get formal, server-wide recognition for having a farm that was so good the authorities had to intervene.
Feel free to rage / vent / cry as long as you don't get in the way of real discussion
little question if you sethome in the memberworld wil your home in the guest world dissapear because i wouldnt lose that one?
/home has not been changed. ONE HOME shared between BOTH WORLDS
If you really wanted to keep farms around but reduce lag, then make 100 stacks of melons like $1 in the market.
< >:( :'( >:( insert 99 pages of rage here >:( :'( >:(>you can c my design for a cactus farm
that said, lets pretend im over it already ;)
ey prinkey, wanne battle it out by hardcore milking cows and selling the milk to the market ??? ;D
im looking forward to see where my huge rooms will be filled with soon :-\
I realize I have no say in this discussion because I don't have a farm, but it does cause lots of lag for us non-farmers just trying to have fun and survive. If you really wanted to keep farms around but reduce lag, then make 100 stacks of melons like $1 in the market.
I really think that automatic farms should be completely removed because it takes away from the survival aspect of the game. And to my knowledge, no farmer in the US is getting rich off farming. They can hardly survive off.
I realize I have no say in this discussion because I don't have a farm, but it does cause lots of lag for us non-farmers just trying to have fun and survive. If you really wanted to keep farms around but reduce lag, then make 100 stacks of melons like $1 in the market.
I really think that automatic farms should be completely removed because it takes away from the survival aspect of the game. And to my knowledge, no farmer in the US is getting rich off farming. They can hardly survive off.
They also don't line in holes in the ground. :)
I'm actually fine with the change. Sure I lost some investment but it will just mix things up and make something else "the most valuable". I am interested in how the newer players will save up for pstones. That could be the bigger issue but I have confidence that will get worked out.
Adapt and survive.
We are going to add sell signs for pistons so you are able to recoup your costs to some extent.YES!
Have you considered what non-moderator/operator/admin players think. You mean we're having fun with our melon farms. We have put a lot of time and resources into our farms. You say your minds can't be changed. So basically your saying that you don't care about your players. Ya know the players, the people who vote, the people who make the server popular. You all work hard on the server. How would like it if suddenly no one cared about what you thought and just canceled out about all your work. My farm is a manual farm. I put a lot of time in. I'm angry. If this post isn't seen, or is ignored; I will have lost all faith in opticraft: the server that was supposed to be the best in existence. Now we got the owners of the server not giving a crap about what the players think.
PS: Stop putting the vote now message up on, we're not gonna vote if you don't care about us
Have you considered what non-moderator/operator/admin players think. You mean we're having fun with our melon farms. We have put a lot of time and resources into our farms. You say your minds can't be changed. So basically your saying that you don't care about your players. Ya know the players, the people who vote, the people who make the server popular. You all work hard on the server. How would like it if suddenly no one cared about what you thought and just canceled out about all your work. My farm is a manual farm. I put a lot of time in. I'm angry. If this post isn't seen, or is ignored; I will have lost all faith in opticraft: the server that was supposed to be the best in existence. Now we got the owners of the server not giving a crap about what the players think.A vote would be useless. What player would turn down the opportunity to make an insane amount of money really fast? No one. That would be basically the same thing as putting up a vote on whether we should give out free money, everyone will vote yes because they want all the money. That being said, there are people out there with huge farms that agree with us on this decision(leganie is one of them) So you see, it is not that we dont care what you guys think, it is that most players would like an easy way to make money so they dont have to earn it.
PS: Stop putting the vote now message up on, we're not gonna vote if you don't care about us
Have you considered what non-moderator/operator/admin players think. You mean we're having fun with our melon farms. We have put a lot of time and resources into our farms. You say your minds can't be changed. So basically your saying that you don't care about your players. Ya know the players, the people who vote, the people who make the server popular. You all work hard on the server. How would like it if suddenly no one cared about what you thought and just canceled out about all your work. My farm is a manual farm. I put a lot of time in. I'm angry. If this post isn't seen, or is ignored; I will have lost all faith in opticraft: the server that was supposed to be the best in existence. Now we got the owners of the server not giving a crap about what the players think.So you see, it is not that we dont care what you guys think, it is that most players would like an easy way to make money so they dont have to earn it.
PS: Stop putting the vote now message up on, we're not gonna vote if you don't care about us
Sure you have to build the farm, but to actually get money out of it, all you have to do is afk for hours. But I am glad you missed the important part of my post to comment on that.Have you considered what non-moderator/operator/admin players think. You mean we're having fun with our melon farms. We have put a lot of time and resources into our farms. You say your minds can't be changed. So basically your saying that you don't care about your players. Ya know the players, the people who vote, the people who make the server popular. You all work hard on the server. How would like it if suddenly no one cared about what you thought and just canceled out about all your work. My farm is a manual farm. I put a lot of time in. I'm angry. If this post isn't seen, or is ignored; I will have lost all faith in opticraft: the server that was supposed to be the best in existence. Now we got the owners of the server not giving a crap about what the players think.So you see, it is not that we dont care what you guys think, it is that most players would like an easy way to make money so they dont have to earn it.
PS: Stop putting the vote now message up on, we're not gonna vote if you don't care about us
Excuse me??? What do you mean we dont have to earn it? It takes weeks of work to BUILD a farm, and hundreds of thousands of dollars to get the resources we need for it. The cost of iron is through the roof and there isn't enough iron available on the map with all the dbags who use mapping software to mine. How dare you imply we don't EARN it.
Ok the biggest issue here seems to be the economy and CPU usage. So here is a fix for both.The cpu fix wouldnt work for 2 reasons. 1. We planned to do this before the member world was out so having 2 worlds on one server didnt factor into it. 2. Running an extra world on this server surprisingly does not come with a big hit performance wise. Also, that would require us to pay for another server, this one already costs quite a bit every month.
ECON: Make melons and pumpkins sell for half as much as they currently sell for.
CPU: Put member world on a second SMP server (thus putting Opticraft on two threads instead of one), and modify the warp plugins to automatically redirect the players between servers, so if I do /warp memberworld then I automatically connect to the member server which holds the member map. Same for if I did /home or /tpa or whatever. If that location is in a world that I'm not in then it would auto-connect me to the correct server. The servers would share sql databases so their stats would be in sync.
You can host two SMP servers on a quad core server with 32gB with no issue. Just change the port on one of them so you don't get networking issues.I assumed you meant a completely different box, my bad. But as I said, even if we only had 1 world we were still going to do this.
In no way is it free money, because it takes money to make money. It required hours upon hours of hand farming to buy a protection stone. Then weeks to mine and farm enough iron to build anything useful. For a 41x41x3 farm, the iron and redstone required exceeds $24,000. When you cant make money off SELLING iron and redstone because you need it, gold is in extremely short supply, and diamonds are unsellable, what other means do you have of making up that money? By no means is this ANYTHING remotely similar to "free money".Have you considered what non-moderator/operator/admin players think. You mean we're having fun with our melon farms. We have put a lot of time and resources into our farms. You say your minds can't be changed. So basically your saying that you don't care about your players. Ya know the players, the people who vote, the people who make the server popular. You all work hard on the server. How would like it if suddenly no one cared about what you thought and just canceled out about all your work. My farm is a manual farm. I put a lot of time in. I'm angry. If this post isn't seen, or is ignored; I will have lost all faith in opticraft: the server that was supposed to be the best in existence. Now we got the owners of the server not giving a crap about what the players think.
PS: Stop putting the vote now message up on, we're not gonna vote if you don't care about usQuoteA vote would be useless. What player would turn down the opportunity to make an insane amount of money really fast? No one. That would be basically the same thing as putting up a vote on whether we should give out free money, everyone will vote yes because they want all the money.
That being said, there are people out there with huge farms that agree with us on this decision(leganie is one of them) So you see, it is not that we dont care what you guys think, it is that most players would like an easy way to make money so they dont have to earn it.That being said, there are a hundred OTHER people who regularly use this server who disagree. Congratz on landing perhaps 5 or 6 people who are NOT mods, operators, and trusteds trying to kiss up.
Trying to guilt us by saying we dont care about you is not going to work. If we dont care about you, why do we put all this effort into the server? Why do we spend hours of our time making sure you guys have a place to play? It is so easy for you to feel like you are entitled to something on this server but you dont realize the enormous amount of work it takes to keep this server up just so players like you can play. Do you have any idea the amount of money it costs to keep a server of this size running? Lets just say it is more than you think.
There are a million other servers out there that offer more than this server offers. We all chose this server BECAUSE we liked the way it was set up, we enjoyed being able to make the money on our own terms. But by removing this method of making money, you are making enemies of your player base. You may as well start paying less for the server because the # of players will diminish moving forward from this point. And you bring up the point that we feel entitled. By all means I think we are. We keep you running, our donations, our votes, that all MATTERS. I'll ask this, why do you continue to keep the server running and spend that money when you are just going to make hasty and poorly thought-out decisions for your players without their approval? And I say hasty and poorly-thought out because no warning was given that you were even CONSIDERING this. We get one week to enjoy our hard work and then it's useless, yeah, thanks a heap.
My bad, let me break down each piece of what you said.You seem to misunderstand, I didnt say it was free money. I was using the free money as an analogy to explain why a vote was useless because players wouldn't vote against an easy way to make money.In no way is it free money, because it takes money to make money. It required hours upon hours of hand farming to buy a protection stone. Then weeks to mine and farm enough iron to build anything useful. For a 41x41x3 farm, the iron and redstone required exceeds $24,000. When you cant make money off SELLING iron and redstone because you need it, gold is in extremely short supply, and diamonds are unsellable, what other means do you have of making up that money? By no means is this ANYTHING remotely similar to "free money".Have you considered what non-moderator/operator/admin players think. You mean we're having fun with our melon farms. We have put a lot of time and resources into our farms. You say your minds can't be changed. So basically your saying that you don't care about your players. Ya know the players, the people who vote, the people who make the server popular. You all work hard on the server. How would like it if suddenly no one cared about what you thought and just canceled out about all your work. My farm is a manual farm. I put a lot of time in. I'm angry. If this post isn't seen, or is ignored; I will have lost all faith in opticraft: the server that was supposed to be the best in existence. Now we got the owners of the server not giving a crap about what the players think.
PS: Stop putting the vote now message up on, we're not gonna vote if you don't care about usQuoteA vote would be useless. What player would turn down the opportunity to make an insane amount of money really fast? No one. That would be basically the same thing as putting up a vote on whether we should give out free money, everyone will vote yes because they want all the money.
There are a million other servers out there that offer more than this server offers. We all chose this server BECAUSE we liked the way it was set up, we enjoyed being able to make the money on our own terms. But by removing this method of making money, you are making enemies of your player base. You may as well start paying less for the server because the # of players will diminish moving forward from this point. And you bring up the point that we feel entitled. By all means I think we are. We keep you running, our donations, our votes, that all MATTERS. I'll ask this, why do you continue to keep the server running and spend that money when you are just going to make hasty and poorly thought-out decisions for your players without their approval? And I say hasty and poorly-thought out because no warning was given that you were even CONSIDERING this. We get one week to enjoy our hard work and then it's useless, yeah, thanks a heap.If people want to turn into enemies because we are trying to balance out the economy let them. We will see about the number of players. Also you are not entitled to anything, donating is all optional, sure donations keep us running now but within the first few months of the server, opti paid out of his pocket to keep the server running.
There are a million other servers out there that offer more than this server offers. We all chose this server BECAUSE we liked the way it was set up, we enjoyed being able to make the money on our own terms. But by removing this method of making money, you are making enemies of your player base. You may as well start paying less for the server because the # of players will diminish moving forward from this point. And you bring up the point that we feel entitled. By all means I think we are. We keep you running, our donations, our votes, that all MATTERS. I'll ask this, why do you continue to keep the server running and spend that money when you are just going to make hasty and poorly thought-out decisions for your players without their approval? And I say hasty and poorly-thought out because no warning was given that you were even CONSIDERING this. We get one week to enjoy our hard work and then it's useless, yeah, thanks a heap.
So, would you rather keep on loading the CPU so much until it runs out of room and lag the server out to the point where it's unplayable? Have it shut down unexpectedly because he can't pay for it anymore because of all the chunk updates that contain so much information?
You really need to think about what he has to go through just to keep this running. WE DO NOT OWE YOU ANYTHING-- You are using something that Optical has invested a LOT a money into. Continuing down this road of "building an automatic farm and afk'ing for a few hours and simply pressing a button to get all of the resources" is DAMAGING to the server. It's a great idea at first, but then more people catch on and soon the whole server is covered in auto farms sapping away CPU and causing a CRAPTON of lag, which nobody likes either. Guess whose fault it would have been if this were to continue? You think it's always the staff's fault?
Then perhaps I should ask why it is Optical keeps the server running?Please re read my post becuase you missed a huge part of it regarding donations.
After all, if he doesn't get enough money in donations then the remainder of the aproximate $500 per month (that's the price I see for a lot of quad core servers with gigabit fiber-optic internet) has to come out of his pocket. It's our donations and our votes which are the reason optical keeps the server up. Now I personally will continue to vote for opticraft, but then there are all the other players who will just leave for a server which has more of a market (at least a market with selling melons and pumpkins at their avail.).
So I have a feeling this could potentially hurt the server.
Plus the real killer is putting the member world on the same server (app, not the same box). That gives the room for more of these automated farms to be produced.
Then perhaps I should ask why it is Optical keeps the server running?Please re read my post becuase you missed a huge part of it regarding donations.
After all, if he doesn't get enough money in donations then the remainder of the aproximate $500 per month (that's the price I see for a lot of quad core servers with gigabit fiber-optic internet) has to come out of his pocket. It's our donations and our votes which are the reason optical keeps the server up. Now I personally will continue to vote for opticraft, but then there are all the other players who will just leave for a server which has more of a market (at least a market with selling melons and pumpkins at their avail.).
So I have a feeling this could potentially hurt the server.
Plus the real killer is putting the member world on the same server (app, not the same box). That gives the room for more of these automated farms to be produced.
You dont understand, it does not in anway make it any better. As I have previously explained to you, adding another world does not make a huge performance hit, tons of melon farms, on the other hand, does. So even if we only had 1 world, we would still have done this.
Cait, you cant use what cheif says an an example because I have explained why it wouldnt help.
There are a million other servers out there that offer more than this server offers. We all chose this server BECAUSE we liked the way it was set up, we enjoyed being able to make the money on our own terms. But by removing this method of making money, you are making enemies of your player base. You may as well start paying less for the server because the # of players will diminish moving forward from this point. And you bring up the point that we feel entitled. By all means I think we are. We keep you running, our donations, our votes, that all MATTERS. I'll ask this, why do you continue to keep the server running and spend that money when you are just going to make hasty and poorly thought-out decisions for your players without their approval? And I say hasty and poorly-thought out because no warning was given that you were even CONSIDERING this. We get one week to enjoy our hard work and then it's useless, yeah, thanks a heap.
So, would you rather keep on loading the CPU so much until it runs out of room and lag the server out to the point where it's unplayable? Have it shut down unexpectedly because he can't pay for it anymore because of all the chunk updates that contain so much information?
You really need to think about what he has to go through just to keep this running. WE DO NOT OWE YOU ANYTHING-- You are using something that Optical has invested a LOT a money into. Continuing down this road of "building an automatic farm and afk'ing for a few hours and simply pressing a button to get all of the resources" is DAMAGING to the server. It's a great idea at first, but then more people catch on and soon the whole server is covered in auto farms sapping away CPU and causing a CRAPTON of lag, which nobody likes either. Guess whose fault it would have been if this were to continue? You think it's always the staff's fault?
And cheif149 keeps telling you people that there is a FIX for that, don't berate me for the inability of the developers to fix CPU problems. And I reiterate, WHY keep spending money on it when you are going to drive the players away???
There are a million other servers out there that offer more than this server offers. We all chose this server BECAUSE we liked the way it was set up, we enjoyed being able to make the money on our own terms. But by removing this method of making money, you are making enemies of your player base. You may as well start paying less for the server because the # of players will diminish moving forward from this point. And you bring up the point that we feel entitled. By all means I think we are. We keep you running, our donations, our votes, that all MATTERS. I'll ask this, why do you continue to keep the server running and spend that money when you are just going to make hasty and poorly thought-out decisions for your players without their approval? And I say hasty and poorly-thought out because no warning was given that you were even CONSIDERING this. We get one week to enjoy our hard work and then it's useless, yeah, thanks a heap.
So, would you rather keep on loading the CPU so much until it runs out of room and lag the server out to the point where it's unplayable? Have it shut down unexpectedly because he can't pay for it anymore because of all the chunk updates that contain so much information?
You really need to think about what he has to go through just to keep this running. WE DO NOT OWE YOU ANYTHING-- You are using something that Optical has invested a LOT a money into. Continuing down this road of "building an automatic farm and afk'ing for a few hours and simply pressing a button to get all of the resources" is DAMAGING to the server. It's a great idea at first, but then more people catch on and soon the whole server is covered in auto farms sapping away CPU and causing a CRAPTON of lag, which nobody likes either. Guess whose fault it would have been if this were to continue? You think it's always the staff's fault?
And cheif149 keeps telling you people that there is a FIX for that, don't berate me for the inability of the developers to fix CPU problems. And I reiterate, WHY keep spending money on it when you are going to drive the players away???
Ya i understood that, i was simply saying that even without this world we would have done this. So even if there wasnt double the space for farms, the number of farms were just too high.There are a million other servers out there that offer more than this server offers. We all chose this server BECAUSE we liked the way it was set up, we enjoyed being able to make the money on our own terms. But by removing this method of making money, you are making enemies of your player base. You may as well start paying less for the server because the # of players will diminish moving forward from this point. And you bring up the point that we feel entitled. By all means I think we are. We keep you running, our donations, our votes, that all MATTERS. I'll ask this, why do you continue to keep the server running and spend that money when you are just going to make hasty and poorly thought-out decisions for your players without their approval? And I say hasty and poorly-thought out because no warning was given that you were even CONSIDERING this. We get one week to enjoy our hard work and then it's useless, yeah, thanks a heap.
So, would you rather keep on loading the CPU so much until it runs out of room and lag the server out to the point where it's unplayable? Have it shut down unexpectedly because he can't pay for it anymore because of all the chunk updates that contain so much information?
You really need to think about what he has to go through just to keep this running. WE DO NOT OWE YOU ANYTHING-- You are using something that Optical has invested a LOT a money into. Continuing down this road of "building an automatic farm and afk'ing for a few hours and simply pressing a button to get all of the resources" is DAMAGING to the server. It's a great idea at first, but then more people catch on and soon the whole server is covered in auto farms sapping away CPU and causing a CRAPTON of lag, which nobody likes either. Guess whose fault it would have been if this were to continue? You think it's always the staff's fault?
And cheif149 keeps telling you people that there is a FIX for that, don't berate me for the inability of the developers to fix CPU problems. And I reiterate, WHY keep spending money on it when you are going to drive the players away???
You don't need to say that the developers are incapable, or unable to do anything. Lemme ask you, do you have any clue how to code a marketplace plugin??? I think not. Heck, idk how well I would do trying to code something like that (although I do know java but Ive never made server plugins before).
But the point made above is that I am giving suggestions which I predict would work fairly well against the issues we are facing WHILE keeping the majority of players happy, and perhaps it is a little hard-headed of the moderators and admins here to find every excuse to put those suggestions down, but that leads me to another point. Perhaps the players are being hard-headed as well? Perhaps we are being too hard-headed to accept the idea of not being able to sell melons and pumpkins.
Therefore I think the final statement of this argument is to keep with the plans of removing the items from the server. THEN if we find things going wrong such as a reduction in votes, donations, and/or players in the server, then lets bring back the melon and pumpkin selling. In other words, lets try it, and see how well it works, and if things go downhill then bring it all back and think of a new solution.
Also Nick, in my post that you quoted I stated that the member world is a killer NOT because of it being a new world. I understand it doesn't take a performance hit, but it does double the amount of available space for players to produce farms, and the ability to add more farms very easily in all of this new space is what will increase cpu usage as more farms would normally be produced in this new landscape. That's what the killer is.
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We have talked about this quite a bit, but we want to implement it in such a way that we dont end up like lostcraft (signs EVERYWHERE!!!!!!!) Now that the member world is out we can focus more energy on stuff like this.Quoteneverending wall of text
I have the possible solution:
http://blocktopia.net/wiki/SMP_Plugins#ChestShop
In fact, if someone could get me pointed in the right direction for coding smp plugins I MIGHT be able to make a draft of a player shop script. Note that I say that I MIGHT be able to. I've never coded a server plugin before so yeah :/
I'm no longer saying that melons and pumpkins shouldn't be removed, but personally I think it would be a good idea to get a new system in place such as being able to sell meat at least by the time the day comes to remove melons in a week.I will take this into consideration.
I mean with meat the player must be present to mate the animal with wheat (which also has to be manually grown although harvesting isn't necessarily manual labor in some cases), then you must be present to slay each and every mob that you intend to not mate again to get the meat. And perhaps bread which has to be manually crafted out of wheat which has to be planted for each growth could be sell-able. I as well as many other players would greatly appreciate something like that being in the market in place of the melons, and I'd be willing to help you all as best I can from my end if you would like any help.
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I have the possible solution:
http://blocktopia.net/wiki/SMP_Plugins#ChestShop
In fact, if someone could get me pointed in the right direction for coding smp plugins I MIGHT be able to make a draft of a player shop script. Note that I say that I MIGHT be able to. I've never coded a server plugin before so yeah :/
I think we should not be able to sell pumpkins and melons in the market,but that does not mean u have to delete them! If you get rid of the signs in the market for buying and selling melons and pumpkins.We are only getting rid of the signs to sell melons, you will still be able to buy them.
by the way if you do delete melons and pumpkins will you delete glistening melons aswell?
ridg10 ;D
It's not a huge effort. I put more effort into building my islands.
It's not a huge effort. I put more effort into building my islands.
please dont let me post another 99 pages of counter arguments,
im sure you remember our discussion about the same in my own topic
alright "piss us off" but at least pay us some respect, we builded for months after all
let them flame ahead, let them share there hate, so they can get over it
this is the last thing we want to hear now ::) your making it worse...
that said, i advice to discuss removing cactus/sugarcane aswell asap
it might look silly, but cactus is stil a nice 1/3th of a pumpkin
converting my pump farm into cactus, adding 2 more farms
and say hello to my new afk money maker 8)
< >:( :'( >:( insert 99 pages of rage here >:( :'( >:(>
that said, lets pretend im over it already ;)
ey prinkey, wanne battle it out by hardcore milking cows and selling the milk to the market ??? ;D
im looking forward to see where my huge rooms will be filled with soon :-\
well no more designing huge farms for me, i will have lots of free time...
im going to quit on the baltop :o
for everyone that played in my castle on classic, the time is now! :o :o :o
I NEED to buy things from the market.
> That is not intended. Money should not be a substitute for effort. Melon farms aren't enough effort to make considering their income. The market should only be a convenience. It seems this server has forgotten the meaning of survival.
QuoteI NEED to buy things from the market.
> That is not intended. Money should not be a substitute for effort. Melon farms aren't enough effort to make considering their income. The market should only be a convenience. It seems this server has forgotten the meaning of survival.
But protection stones can only be bought from the market. As far as they are concerned, the market is a necessity, not a convenience.
QuoteI NEED to buy things from the market.
> That is not intended. Money should not be a substitute for effort. Melon farms aren't enough effort to make considering their income. The market should only be a convenience. It seems this server has forgotten the meaning of survival.
But protection stones can only be bought from the market. As far as they are concerned, the market is a necessity, not a convenience.
He is obviously speaking in general, it's an obvious thing Protection Stones can only be acquired on the market. All the rest of the stuff in it can be found or crafted.
QuoteI NEED to buy things from the market.
> That is not intended. Money should not be a substitute for effort. Melon farms aren't enough effort to make considering their income. The market should only be a convenience. It seems this server has forgotten the meaning of survival.
But protection stones can only be bought from the market. As far as they are concerned, the market is a necessity, not a convenience.
He is obviously speaking in general, it's an obvious thing Protection Stones can only be acquired on the market. All the rest of the stuff in it can be found or crafted.
This is an example of my point about setting prices to encourage certain behaviours. If players are supposed to be buying protection stones from the market, but not buying materials that they can collect or craft, then the former should not be so expensive compared to the latter. By the time a player has raised $1500 to buy a tiny protection stone, spending an extra $500 on materials to fill it out doesn't seem like a big deal.
I've also seen a server in a "let's play" on YouTube that allowed players to rent out shops that would expire after about a week. The shops were in a mall, and the layout looked pretty nice overall.We have talked about it quite a bit and if we were to do chest shops, this is exactly how we would do it.
That was what I said In my chest shop suggestion post long time ago xDI've also seen a server in a "let's play" on YouTube that allowed players to rent out shops that would expire after about a week. The shops were in a mall, and the layout looked pretty nice overall.We have talked about it quite a bit and if we were to do chest shops, this is exactly how we would do it.
QuoteI NEED to buy things from the market.
> That is not intended. Money should not be a substitute for effort. Melon farms aren't enough effort to make considering their income. The market should only be a convenience. It seems this server has forgotten the meaning of survival.
But protection stones can only be bought from the market. As far as they are concerned, the market is a necessity, not a convenience.
He is obviously speaking in general, it's an obvious thing Protection Stones can only be acquired on the market. All the rest of the stuff in it can be found or crafted.
This is an example of my point about setting prices to encourage certain behaviours. If players are supposed to be buying protection stones from the market, but not buying materials that they can collect or craft, then the former should not be so expensive compared to the latter. By the time a player has raised $1500 to buy a tiny protection stone, spending an extra $500 on materials to fill it out doesn't seem like a big deal.
Do you recommend we increase the costs of materials? Protection stones have to be priced in a way that disallows griefers from simply placing protection stones wherever they please - which has not yet been an issue because the stones aren't cheap.
I have spent about 2 or 3 months on my pumpkin farm with many other people and i'm going to have to pay them money for everything they spent on it even when I can't use it. And can u just delete the stuff we built and just refund the materials? Like spawn the amount we used. Because this kinda means I have wasted my time for 3 months X_XThey will give you the ability to sell back those items, i.e. pistons etc,
Ok i said this in game, and I'm more then happy to scream it in someones face for hours on end. :DHow do you think farms get made? (Hint: they're crafted....)
Look at the name of the game (literally) "Minecraft" last time i checked that means (basically) mining and crafting.
All you people complaining about your annoying farms becoming useless, your trying to change the name of the game completely. You made this server "Farmcraft" ,sounds like a dumb Facebook game to me. If u can't see that, your blind to the cause.
Opti and the staff are turning the server back into "Minecraft". Why do you have a problem with that?
Basically its not Farmcraft its Minecraft. I'm sure if you asked him Notch would agree with what Opti and the staff is doing.
As far as cacti and stuff like that, it'll be a sad day when u make a massive automatic farm for them. You would truthfully be saying "I am going to do the exact opposite of what this server is about" and personally i don't want someone like that on the server, granted I'm only trusted.
As far as a solution to the possible mess you all seem to know so much about. Mining, ik ik they said it already and you don't like the idea of putting forth effort to make money. I have a farm, its not automatic and its to supply my shop with items. Never-the-less, i know how much time it takes to make a big, neat, good looking farm. It takes days to collect and build, i get it. But wait a second...didn't you go and "mine" for the stuff already? Sell that stuff and oops u made a couple thousand. Please share with me the problem here? Ok sure you wont make a steady income inless u mine daily and granted your farms are ,as you all say, 'useless' but then maybe in between mining you could...craft. Weird how this all works isn't it?
Granted strip mines might conquer the world but with problems comes questions with questions comes solutions.
Bad things come quickly, Good things take some time, Great things take a long time. Deal with it.
maybe we can sell safire ore what ever is the new jem, in 1.3, or maybe coco beans, or tnt, stuff not really usable, and lower protection stones in the member world, coco beans need to be replanted, just like wheat so it could work cuz theres no afk farming, or even nether wart would work, im unset with not selling the stuff cuz u cant make money for protection stones. but try my ideasWheat can be auto-harvested using sticky pistons though. Replanting just adds one more step while allowing the issue they're trying to solve to remain.
-bubblekiller
So, is it illegal to have any auto farm for anything? Because, to think about it, people could make Cacti or Sugar Cane farms, HOWEVER they probobly would not gane as much money.
now 1 question
HOW can i get money
a lot
i need alot of money
i dont have a spawner ( anymore )
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I have spent about 2 or 3 months on my pumpkin farm with many other people and i'm going to have to pay them money for everything they spent on it even when I can't use it. And can u just delete the stuff we built and just refund the materials? Like spawn the amount we used. Because this kinda means I have wasted my time for 3 months X_Xwelcome to the club >:(
they are trying to stop afkers not auto farms
-Pumkins/Melons today, tomorrow....?
-Pumkins/Melons today, tomorrow....?
the 4th of july
btw, will selling pistons be removed after the 4th aswell? or will they stay
Ok i said this in game, and I'm more then happy to scream it in someones face for hours on end. :DHow do you think farms get made? (Hint: they're crafted....)
Look at the name of the game (literally) "Minecraft" last time i checked that means (basically) mining and crafting.
All you people complaining about your annoying farms becoming useless, your trying to change the name of the game completely. You made this server "Farmcraft" ,sounds like a dumb Facebook game to me. If u can't see that, your blind to the cause.
Opti and the staff are turning the server back into "Minecraft". Why do you have a problem with that?
Basically its not Farmcraft its Minecraft. I'm sure if you asked him Notch would agree with what Opti and the staff is doing.
As far as cacti and stuff like that, it'll be a sad day when u make a massive automatic farm for them. You would truthfully be saying "I am going to do the exact opposite of what this server is about" and personally i don't want someone like that on the server, granted I'm only trusted.
As far as a solution to the possible mess you all seem to know so much about. Mining, ik ik they said it already and you don't like the idea of putting forth effort to make money. I have a farm, its not automatic and its to supply my shop with items. Never-the-less, i know how much time it takes to make a big, neat, good looking farm. It takes days to collect and build, i get it. But wait a second...didn't you go and "mine" for the stuff already? Sell that stuff and oops u made a couple thousand. Please share with me the problem here? Ok sure you wont make a steady income inless u mine daily and granted your farms are ,as you all say, 'useless' but then maybe in between mining you could...craft. Weird how this all works isn't it?
Granted strip mines might conquer the world but with problems comes questions with questions comes solutions.
Bad things come quickly, Good things take some time, Great things take a long time. Deal with it.
But really, your argument here is a little overboard and much too narrow. So we shouldn't build homes or buildings either? After all, this isn't Buildcraft! Right?
It's a versatile game, and you can do a lot more than just mine and craft. It's not like farming has even been outright banned either. Pumpkins and melons are just being removed from the market. They're still in the game.
With the remove of melOns and punkins, 1.3 will be out soon, we can maybe sell emeralds, for more then gold maybe, there 25% rarer the diamonds, or only able to get my villagers so it could work for a way for money wat do u guys think??
-bubblekiller
they are trying to stop afkers not auto farms
Yesterday my friend and I went mining (it's better with someone else) for a few hours. I (not both of us, just me) came home with half a stack of gold, a few diamonds, and four stacks of iron. I'm pretty sure iron sells for 200, so 64x4x200 is 51,200. See that? 51,200 in a few HOURS, not even counting the gold. I may be wrong, but I don't think most farms make that much.
I havent decided yet.-Pumkins/Melons today, tomorrow....?
the 4th of july
btw, will selling pistons be removed after the 4th aswell? or will they stay
Ok i said this in game, and I'm more then happy to scream it in someones face for hours on end. :DHow do you think farms get made? (Hint: they're crafted....)
Look at the name of the game (literally) "Minecraft" last time i checked that means (basically) mining and crafting.
All you people complaining about your annoying farms becoming useless, your trying to change the name of the game completely. You made this server "Farmcraft" ,sounds like a dumb Facebook game to me. If u can't see that, your blind to the cause.
Opti and the staff are turning the server back into "Minecraft". Why do you have a problem with that?
Basically its not Farmcraft its Minecraft. I'm sure if you asked him Notch would agree with what Opti and the staff is doing.
As far as cacti and stuff like that, it'll be a sad day when u make a massive automatic farm for them. You would truthfully be saying "I am going to do the exact opposite of what this server is about" and personally i don't want someone like that on the server, granted I'm only trusted.
As far as a solution to the possible mess you all seem to know so much about. Mining, ik ik they said it already and you don't like the idea of putting forth effort to make money. I have a farm, its not automatic and its to supply my shop with items. Never-the-less, i know how much time it takes to make a big, neat, good looking farm. It takes days to collect and build, i get it. But wait a second...didn't you go and "mine" for the stuff already? Sell that stuff and oops u made a couple thousand. Please share with me the problem here? Ok sure you wont make a steady income inless u mine daily and granted your farms are ,as you all say, 'useless' but then maybe in between mining you could...craft. Weird how this all works isn't it?
Granted strip mines might conquer the world but with problems comes questions with questions comes solutions.
Bad things come quickly, Good things take some time, Great things take a long time. Deal with it.
But really, your argument here is a little overboard and much too narrow. So we shouldn't build homes or buildings either? After all, this isn't Buildcraft! Right?
It's a versatile game, and you can do a lot more than just mine and craft. It's not like farming has even been outright banned either. Pumpkins and melons are just being removed from the market. They're still in the game.
I believe this is a fight over opinions. I stated mine and i will leave it at that.
I must add 1 thing to this reply thou.
"How do you think farms get made? (Hint: they're crafted....)"
This is incorrect. Over sized pumpkins and melon farms are not crafted. They are built.
Crafting: an art, trade, or occupation requiring special skill, especially manual skill: the craft of a mason.
Building:to establish, increase, or strengthen (often followed by up ): to build a business; to build up one's hopes.
Automatic farms are not a manual skill and is not an art of any sort. They are nothing but a form of business that they increase to make more profit.
Btw i think you missed my point, farms shouldn't be running the game, mining should be.
Viper, the problem is that Antikoukou(_nos_) is a proven dedicated member of that community.
I told him about all the add-ons to the server and he told me that he will quit.
Optical, acts according to some ideas. But, when these ideas affect the life and popularity according to me and others' opinion here, then the issue is important. When you build a server, you spend all of your life for that. I am sure Optical does that. But, these sharp actions will damage these great efforts.
Viper, the problem is that Antikoukou(_nos_) is a proven dedicated member of that community.Then let him quit, we can't please everyone, you take the good with the bad.
I told him about all the add-ons to the server and he told me that he will quit.
Viper, the problem is that Antikoukou(_nos_) is a proven dedicated member of that community.Then let him quit, we can't please everyone, you take the good with the bad.
I told him about all the add-ons to the server and he told me that he will quit.
+2Viper, the problem is that Antikoukou(_nos_) is a proven dedicated member of that community.Then let him quit, we can't please everyone, you take the good with the bad.
I told him about all the add-ons to the server and he told me that he will quit.
+3+2Viper, the problem is that Antikoukou(_nos_) is a proven dedicated member of that community.Then let him quit, we can't please everyone, you take the good with the bad.
I told him about all the add-ons to the server and he told me that he will quit.
Yesterday my friend and I went mining (it's better with someone else) for a few hours. I (not both of us, just me) came home with half a stack of gold, a few diamonds, and four stacks of iron. I'm pretty sure iron sells for 200, so 64x4x200 is 51,200. See that? 51,200 in a few HOURS, not even counting the gold. I may be wrong, but I don't think most farms make that much.If you sell iron to the market, you'll get $50 each after you smelt them. So that's $12,800 in a few hours (which is not hard to beat with an automated farm).
Viper, the problem is that Antikoukou(_nos_) is a proven dedicated member of that community.
I told him about all the add-ons to the server and he told me that he will quit.
I would like to know. What's so bad about people getting money from pumpkins and melons? For me its a easier way to get more materials to build with. I feel that this will cause many people to leave because it will take to long to get money other ways now, and they dont' want to take the time to do it. Some people have mentioned that they will resort to mining everything and selling it. This will ruin the Opticraft landscape. I wouldn't want to play and a server that is completely dug up. Could we survive without the ability to get money quickly? The answer is yes, buy many people won't want to do. I really don't see what will be accomplished by getting rid of that privilege. :-\It will even it out for the players who dont want to spend hours afking to get money.
Let's ban mobs too, as too many mobs=lag... If u banned redstone, and everything that causes lag, this has turned to OPTICRAFT CLASSIC SERVER =.=
let's just go ahead and ban redstone completely.
let's just go ahead and ban redstone completely.
Are you being serious? Please don't. I like making things with redstone that are completely unrelated to making money in anyway whatsoever.
let's just go ahead and ban redstone completely.
Are you being serious? Please don't. I like making things with redstone that are completely unrelated to making money in anyway whatsoever.
Says the richest person on the server who says he ONLY SOLD 2 STACKS OF MELONS. :P
Glad youre bragging. Can we get back on topic?let's just go ahead and ban redstone completely.
Are you being serious? Please don't. I like making things with redstone that are completely unrelated to making money in anyway whatsoever.
Says the richest person on the server who says he ONLY SOLD 2 STACKS OF MELONS. :P
LOL, I'm serious! I have a pumpkin farm! Now, pumpkins... I've sold thousands of stacks of those. But I do like making hidden doors and things like that.
I wasn't bragging. I think you read my post out of context. I was responding to Victor while backing up my original argument in favor of redstone.Glad youre bragging. Can we get back on topic?let's just go ahead and ban redstone completely.
Are you being serious? Please don't. I like making things with redstone that are completely unrelated to making money in anyway whatsoever.
Says the richest person on the server who says he ONLY SOLD 2 STACKS OF MELONS. :P
LOL, I'm serious! I have a pumpkin farm! Now, pumpkins... I've sold thousands of stacks of those. But I do like making hidden doors and things like that.
Go ahead and ban everything while you are at itGood idea, thanks for the suggestion.
there are also automatic farms with out redstone but are authomatic wheatfarms allowed?(https://www.opticraft.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FlukNB.jpg&hash=c1131a53f821bff9d9c9bdabcaab5952)
Go ahead and ban everything while you are at it
We're only banning whats needed to get you to stop using those ridiculous, laggy melon farms. Is it really that bad that theyre being removed? Or is automatic farms really the ONLY way you can play?
Well, is there a better way to remove the problem without removing the selling of pumpkins/melons? I am on both sides: on removing because it is unfair in a way ??? ; in keeping for my own purposes :-\ and really, what am I going to do with stacks of melons/pumpkins?Use melons to eat, as for pumpkins, you can use them to build.I am on both sides here!
Well, is there a better way to remove the problem without removing the selling of pumpkins/melons? I am on both sides: on removing because it is unfair in a way ??? ; in keeping for my own purposes :-\ and really, what am I going to do with stacks of melons/pumpkins?
would it be possible to make pistons to go through melons and punkins? like coding or a plugin?
It is a bit of a shame because I have just made some auto farms that cost alot and it's making it alot harder for new players toGo ahead and ban everything while you are at it
You have to understand, it's for the good of the server. If it means getting more processing power directed towards other more important things, then you should support getting rid of another weight off the servers back.
I agree with what alot of people are saying, i would just like the price lowered like melons 150 and pumpkins 100. That would be more appropriate then just getting rid of them. If they do go away, alot of people will be mad and the only other way to make money is to mine and sell your 2 stacks of 64 cobblestone for 15$ a stack and that lucky iron ingot for fifty. So i feel that just decreasing the price would be better. :)Then people just make bigger farms, which would NOT resolve the probelem, but make it worse.
I Have already posted on this but i have had a thought of it and here it is: WE DON'T NEED THE FARMS!! Yeah guys honestly we have survived already with out farms...it just causes the server lag which honestly we don't want surely??I am fine for the pumkins and melons going away i know alot of people will be angry at me for this but no one likes lag guys and this reduces lag! thanks for your time
-Scottishchamp
I support the removal of melon/pumpkin sales, 100%.
As an owner of both a melon and pumpkin farm (both automated), I've made almost all my income from them, after working very hard.
I don't mind if I worked hard to make something which will now be useless. I worked hard because it was fun, and it was fun because I worked hard. To me, the value in my farm construction was the enjoyment I got out of knowing I was doing something efficiently and optimally _at the time_.
I actually think one permanent/fixed path towards financial optimality in any game would be boring. It was about time the economy changed.
If the owners of this server want us to be easier on their server, I support them 100%, AND I thank them for providing this server to players _for free_. Without them, I would have been bored instead of making melon/pumpkin farms. I know I haven't bothered to buy a machine capable of hosting such a community, and I know they work very hard to provide a good experience for us.
On the other hand, if the owners of this server tell us the only way to make money to buy protection stones is to make our characters jump 1000000 times and then place and remove a cobblestone block 2000000 times, I will stop playing here and start playing on one of the many mmorpgs on my laptop, with tears leaking out of my eyes for the good old days when I actually had fun gaming. Of course, I don't expect anyone to set up such stupid rules. Not in the minecraft community, at least.
The changes to the economy should lead to fun gameplay. I like the 'selling meat' idea because I can't imagine a server intensive way to produce large quantities of meats, but I suspect it would only be a matter of time before someone set up a giant collection of egg filled dispensers which fired chickens into an area which could be converted into either an egg collection pit or a chicken slaughterhouse. If meat were to be profitable, that would actually be the first thing I would do. Not because I want to screw with the server or create lag, but because it would be fun to chase down the (unfortunately) best business model in game.
Anyway, I am not the owner of this server so I have no right to define how the economy is set up or how the economy molds the player base to behave. Also, the owners of this server have no reason to expect me to keep playing on opticraft if their game is no longer fun to play in.
Good luck with whatever your server ends up becoming guys, and thanks for all the fun so far :) I've met awesome people here and part of my life was very fun because of opticraft, so kudos to you.
Might I ask, how will the new guests earn money? With mere stone tools for mining with, mining isn't a good option for them and voting won't be enough for them to get a good set of diamond tools. (This question is not intended to defend or back my earlier posts or posts that are Anti-removal)
for there will be far less money in circulation.This never actually matters since the amount of money in the market is infinite
for there will be far less money in circulation.This never actually matters since the amount of money in the market is infinite
Well first off, I think it's been proven that the farms are not the cause of lag being as the lag spikes are about the same, and sometimes much worse, than they were prior to the removal of the items from market.I would love to see the data you have collected on the lag from the server over the past few weeks.
As for the economy, it is a bit of a ripoff, but now that we know the farms aren't the problem with lag, melons and pumpkins could be reintroduced when everyone slowly becomes poor which will eventually happen. Not overnight, but perhaps when the Holidays come around, or maybe the beginning of 2013... if the Mayans don't kill us......
+1Well first off, I think it's been proven that the farms are not the cause of lag being as the lag spikes are about the same,I would love to see the data you have collected on the lag from the server over the past few weeks.
I would love to see the data you have collected on the lag from the server over the past few weeks.
As our developer previously explained, lag spikes are not cause by the melon farms, but ever since we took out melons and pumpkins our tickrate has almost doubled.
All I can tell you is I talked to Optical when he was in game, and he said he plans on eventually removing anything growable to increase the tick rate and help the server economy. This will probably start with cactus and move to sugarcane, and maybe to cobblestone as well since cobble can be "grown" using a cobblestone generator, but it still has to be manually mined.Really now? I'm not believing that until Opticalza says it, No way he'd remove growing items, its SURVIVAL how do u survive if you cant grow food
ok i get that we want more survival but wy delete sugar cane it sels i belive wich 5$ per half stack or full stack dont know accectly you can get rich of it but mining would be faster you get then maybe 100$ per full inventory and it will also take some time to grow
for those who disagree or dont think it makes the server bad or that we will run out of resources...please see my 200 by 300 hole i dug out that goes to bedrock in less than 2 months on the guest server...and that was just me and one other person...before we build the melon farm. after we built the far their was no need to dig hard like that and made the game way more fun. we were not spending all of our time just digging. we have started 2 huge projects to make the member world better. so now think about 2-3 months down the road now that everyone has to do this...the server is going to look like shit.
inflation.
It means that things are super overpriced because people have too much money, and yes I know what it means and we don't need money from the market, we need money from the other players.This statement is 100% false. The amount of money in circulation has NO effect on the prices in the market. The market has infinite money and resources so inflation CANNOT exist on this server.
It means that things are super overpriced because people have too much money, and yes I know what it means and we don't need money from the market, we need money from the other players.This statement is 100% false. The amount of money in circulation has NO effect on the prices in the market. The market has infinite money and resources so inflation CANNOT exist on this server.
*cough you don't understand what inflation is.It means that things are super overpriced because people have too much money, and yes I know what it means and we don't need money from the market, we need money from the other players.This statement is 100% false. The amount of money in circulation has NO effect on the prices in the market. The market has infinite money and resources so inflation CANNOT exist on this server.
*cough inflation on slimeballs, and other unobtainable items :/
cap moneyi dont see how this is possible ;)
outlaw big redstone mechanics (do we need them?)already happening here and there, under discussion
outlaw automatics (mod discretion applicable case by case)under discussion, but for the moment just allowed i woudnt agree with removing them tho
reduce protection stone costssuggested, but rejected couse we dont want griefers to be able to get alot of them easely
make some different ps's that are wide and flat instead of cubed protection.suggested, being worked on 8), no dicision yet tho
ps: I have been getting some monsters spawn lately (will animals spawn too randomly?) and plants seem to grow a lot faster, server must be working faster!thats very good, also note the ammount of players online
suggestions:
cap money
outlaw big redstone mechanics (do we need them?)
outlaw automatics (mod discretion applicable case by case)
reduce protection stone costs
or
make some different ps's that are wide and flat instead of cubed protection.
ie: 51x11y51z or something to that *effect*.
ps: I have been getting some monsters spawn lately (will animals spawn too randomly?) and plants seem to grow a lot faster, server must be working faster!
And well of course kascas beats me to it -.-;D
Seriously? Is this discussion STILL going on? Oy...I agree, I have never seen a topic get 2000+ views over 2 things getting removed from the market. Money comes and money goes, just like life does, but you have to make the best of it. We will find a new way to make money, even if it takes picking up a pickaxe and going mining for a few hours. Its called minecraft for a reason...