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Title: New guest world announcement!
Post by: Nick3306 on November 30, 2012, 12:55:38 am
IP : smp.opticraft.net

Yes, you read the title right, a new guest world has been in the making for quite some time. I can officially announce that it is 95% done! We have just a few more things to build/move around then we will be ready to hand it over to optical so he can do whatever magic he does to port it over to the current server.


Opticraft User: "well what about all of our stuff on the current guest world? Will we lose it?"

Fear not my fellow opticrafter, the current guest world will still be accessible after the new guest world is put into place.

I am not going to give out any details on what the new spawn will be before it is launched but lets just say it is absolutely amazing.

After a talk with optical a few months back I was under the impression that he wanted to remove the current guest world after a period of time. I seemed to have misunderstood him and there are no plans to ever delete the current guest world.
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: ☣2crzy4uall☣ on November 30, 2012, 01:16:57 am
Outstanding :P
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: bantam2 on November 30, 2012, 01:19:06 am
You guys are going to be amazed when you see this new world! Get excited.
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: Saeberus on November 30, 2012, 01:19:52 am
Now everyone should be content haha
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: NathanialJones on November 30, 2012, 01:45:26 am
Good thing I already moved all my stuff when the member world came out.
And I can't beleive the perfect timing between the suggestions post and this.....
Sometimes I think optical and the admins are setting everything up just so they can troll us.
EDIT: also if the Geist world will be delete can you put a download, I know the file will be huge but ill be able to play on the Geust world after I wait a day for it to download
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: Zeradeth_ on November 30, 2012, 01:47:46 am
This is awesome news! I just had a question to branch off of the "user comment" you placed in the announcement. You said that the original guest world would be accessible for quite some time. Does this mean that the original guest world will be deleted? And if so, then our builds in that world will be deleted with it?

If the answer is yes, would you suggest the immediate relocation of our current guest world builds?

--Zera
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: JakeTheSnake888 on November 30, 2012, 01:48:47 am
ditto i moved all of my stuff to member world good thing to i cant wait for this to be done
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: LIEKABOWSE on November 30, 2012, 01:56:00 am
Wait a moment, the old one will be avilable for a WHILE?!
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: Nhataley on November 30, 2012, 01:58:28 am
Cool, Need anyhelp building for the spawn. I can help. ;D
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: joshskiizz on November 30, 2012, 02:16:05 am
It's hard containing a secret like this :p
But finally, I can't wait.
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: Nick3306 on November 30, 2012, 02:19:44 am
This is awesome news! I just had a question to branch off of the "user comment" you placed in the announcement. You said that the original guest world would be accessible for quite some time. Does this mean that the original guest world will be deleted? And if so, then our builds in that world will be deleted with it?

If the answer is yes, would you suggest the immediate relocation of our current guest world builds?

--Zera
Eventually the old guest world will be deleted. But we have not even though about a date when that would happen. Immediate relocation is not necessary because we are talking about months from the new guest worlds launch.
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: SonicHogSpeed on November 30, 2012, 02:20:48 am
…the current guest world will still be accessible for quite some time after the new guest world is put into place.…
Like a few other people above me, "The Guest World we are using will be deleted?"…
Please tell me we will able to transfer our main builds before the transition, because a lot of us would just give up on remaking their home the way it is if they're still stationed in the current one…
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: SalsaInABowl on November 30, 2012, 02:21:16 am
Will you be transporting stuff over to the new guest world Nick?
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: minecraft321 on November 30, 2012, 02:31:03 am
Will you be transporting stuff over to the new guest world Nick?

I hope because I have some pretty good stuff in the guest world. :)
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: TarynMai on November 30, 2012, 02:32:55 am
Sonic, as he said, it will be months before anything is deleted, so dont worry about it now. Snape, probably not.
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: SalsaInABowl on November 30, 2012, 02:33:21 am
Same here...home, spleef, ALL of my stuff and farms, holy Jebus Crysis, everything!
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: Nick3306 on November 30, 2012, 02:39:39 am
Will you be transporting stuff over to the new guest world Nick?
No we will not. We lack the manpower to do something like that.
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: Quattro92 on November 30, 2012, 03:00:26 am
So what we are being told is this will happen with all the other worlds too at some point.
This just plain sucks.  I worked hard on all of my buildings in the guest world, and now all of it will be deleted. >:(
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: Nick3306 on November 30, 2012, 03:03:06 am
So what we are being told is this will happen with all the other worlds too at some point.
This just plain sucks.  I worked hard on all of my buildings in the guest world, and now all of it will be deleted. >:(

I dont think you quite understand how far in the future we are talking about here.
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: Quattro92 on November 30, 2012, 03:05:43 am
Sonic, as he said, it will be months before anything is deleted, so dont worry about it now. Snape, probably not.
I dont think you quite understand how far in the future we are talking about here.

Then why did Alicia months? ???
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: Nick3306 on November 30, 2012, 03:10:00 am
Sonic, as he said, it will be months before anything is deleted, so dont worry about it now. Snape, probably not.
I dont think you quite understand how far in the future we are talking about here.

Then why did Alicia months? ???
She said months, never said how many. Any length of time can be broken down into months.
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: tiggy26668 on November 30, 2012, 03:13:06 am
nick you sure do know just how to get everyone's panties in a bunch  :D

Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: SalsaInABowl on November 30, 2012, 03:14:53 am
Well Tiggy, everything YOU'VE done on Opticraft isn't in a world which will be terminated a couple of months from now.
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: Nick3306 on November 30, 2012, 03:19:36 am
Well Tiggy, everything YOU'VE done on Opticraft isn't in a world which will be terminated a couple of months from now.
A couple of months you say? I would love to see your source for this info.
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: tiggy26668 on November 30, 2012, 03:23:15 am
Well Tiggy, everything YOU'VE done on Opticraft isn't in a world which will be terminated a couple of months from now.

lol you're over reacting... they've clearly stated it's in no way happening any time relatively soon.

and honestly it shouldn't come as any surprise that the world would get reset eventually (again not relatively soon)
a lesser server would've /failed and corrupted the map by now.

be grateful it's lasted this long thanks to the diligent upkeep.

and for the record i have plenty of things that i'll lose when the world goes bye bye but i don't expect them to host an old guest world forever so i accept that i have to move those things or lose them....
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: SalsaInABowl on November 30, 2012, 03:23:40 am
Sure thing buddy :P

Sonic, as he said, it will be months before anything is deleted, so dont worry about it now. Snape, probably not.

Sonic, as he said, it will be months before anything is deleted, so dont worry about it now. Snape, probably not.
I dont think you quite understand how far in the future we are talking about here.

Then why did Alicia months? ???
She said months, never said how many. Any length of time can be broken down into months.

I guess I better start movin things over then.
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: Nick3306 on November 30, 2012, 03:26:33 am
I fail to see where a couple months is said. You do realize months could be 12 months right? like i said before, any amount of time can be measured in months. Please think before causing panic.
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: Quattro92 on November 30, 2012, 03:30:26 am
Sonic, as he said, it will be months before anything is deleted, so dont worry about it now. Snape, probably not.
I dont think you quite understand how far in the future we are talking about here.

Then why did Alicia months? ???
She said months, never said how many. Any length of time can be broken down into months.

Generally people think that when somebody says months they mean 11 months or less.  Now if it was over 11 months why not say years?
BTW the idea of the current guest world going away is what we're upset about.  I've been on here for 8 months and most of it was spent in the guest world.
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: Nick3306 on November 30, 2012, 03:35:25 am
Surely you must agree that the guest world looks like crap. The area around the spawn and warp points is completely trashed and the world is almost half water. The current map will still be available for a long time. But all things must come to an end.
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: SonicHogSpeed on November 30, 2012, 03:37:26 am
Surely you must agree that the guest world looks like crap. The area around the spawn and warp points is completely trashed and the world is almost half water. The current map will still be available for a long time. But all things must come to an end.
*sigh* You have a point :( Had better find a way to make the best out of the new world generations, make a new descent farm, and a home that I can be more proud of.
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: Quattro92 on November 30, 2012, 03:42:10 am
Surely you must agree that the guest world looks like crap. The area around the spawn and warp points is completely trashed and the world is almost half water. The current map will still be available for a long time. But all things must come to an end.

Yes I do agree, it just sucks.
Guess I should take screenshots/videos of my creations before I destory them for the valuables. :P
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: Chief149 on November 30, 2012, 03:51:11 am
New guest world!?
(https://www.opticraft.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cuantocabron.com%2Fimages%2Ftemplates%2Fmother-of-god-template.jpg&hash=fac13312404a720497482daa4b3b2332)
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: iGenerator on November 30, 2012, 04:04:30 am
Good thing those classic crafters got a project to work on for a few months.
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: Hasan (Tabooti) on November 30, 2012, 04:05:46 am
Is there a possibility that we can get a copy of the guest world for download?

Zezenov, IGenerator, and myself would like if we could still have access to our city. Or if possible even crop it out with MC-Schematic to save.
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: SalsaInABowl on November 30, 2012, 04:06:24 am
Good thing those classic crafters got a project to work on for a few months.

Dude, I think anyone who has been on the server longer than 3-4 months has a huge project to work on now. Lol
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: Nick3306 on November 30, 2012, 04:06:38 am
Is there a possibility that we can get a copy of the guest world for download?

Zezenov, IGenerator, and myself would like if we could still have access to our city. Or if possible even crop it out with MC-Schematic to save.
Yes, that should be possible.
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: ☣2crzy4uall☣ on November 30, 2012, 04:12:46 am
I'd like a copy myself :P
But aside from all the tears people are shedding lol, what is the timeframe for release of this world?
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: Quattro92 on November 30, 2012, 04:13:47 am
Is there a possibility that we can get a copy of the guest world for download?

Zezenov, IGenerator, and myself would like if we could still have access to our city. Or if possible even crop it out with MC-Schematic to save.
Yes, that should be possible.

Sweet, you just made my day!
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: SalsaInABowl on November 30, 2012, 04:19:26 am
You know, we should just be glad nobody has said "Can you transport our houses over for Trusteds only?" Kinda like this one time, some silly noob suggested there should be a Trusted only world.

That silly noob is the one sitting here writing this.
XD
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: optical on November 30, 2012, 04:27:25 am
I have no plans to delete the current guest world at any stage.
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: tiggy26668 on November 30, 2012, 04:30:37 am
I have no plans to delete the current guest world at any stage.

^Pro
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: hennydeez on November 30, 2012, 04:31:07 am
I have no plans to delete the current guest world at any stage.

:)
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: DJAlphaWolf on November 30, 2012, 04:31:55 am
Well...seems like all this that i spent living on guest world in an abandoned house once created by Tobs (i think)....has finally come to an end. I will miss the crazy signs that griefers left around my house (most of which i kept because they still make me laugh). I'll miss the basement griefers made for me under my home (did not exist before but it was pretty awesome to explore). I'll miss living in a lone standing building while the environment around me looks like the aftermath of a bombing. Ah guest world....the memories...the grief....and best of all...the crazy guests that made it all happen.....

I know guest world isn't gonna be deleted but i felt a goodbye was neccesary now as we move on to bigger and better hopes in the newest guest world.

As for my house, which i've lived in since i joined...well it seems that now i need to make myself a new one....or at least find one to live in for now....if only i wasnt so lazy about building xD
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: OzzyKP on November 30, 2012, 04:59:46 am
Ah, crap.  :(

I just got here a few weeks ago and have put a lot of work into a project that was starting to come along nicely.  I guess there isn't much point in continuing with it...  bleh :(
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: SalsaInABowl on November 30, 2012, 05:00:57 am
Guys, how about reading the entire discussion before replying:

I have no plans to delete the current guest world at any stage.
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: hammysandwhich on November 30, 2012, 05:36:44 am
Ahhhh so excited :D
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: DeeKay on November 30, 2012, 05:58:47 am
You will all have no hesitation in crying once you see it.
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: raul7legend on November 30, 2012, 06:19:11 am
I've seen the guest world, simply amazing :)
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: joshskiizz on November 30, 2012, 07:02:48 am
Is the guest world really THAT great?
Like, so great, how dare I raise these words against its beauty? :p
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: benc117 on November 30, 2012, 09:36:07 am
CANT WAIT
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: hennydeez on November 30, 2012, 10:06:55 am
Is the guest world really THAT great?
Like, so great, how dare I raise these words against its beauty? :p

Another word to its description: Creative
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: raul7legend on November 30, 2012, 10:15:09 am
Here's a sneak-peek for those who are dying to see it -
(https://www.opticraft.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FzVxoj.png&hash=98ab47cb9f9d0f35c9475abdb70f352f)
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: benc117 on November 30, 2012, 10:36:58 am
Here's a sneak-peek for those who are dying to see it -
(https://www.opticraft.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FzVxoj.png&hash=98ab47cb9f9d0f35c9475abdb70f352f)
-.- really.. >:(
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: TarynMai on November 30, 2012, 10:55:28 am
Here's a sneak-peek for those who are dying to see it -
http://i.imgur.com/zVxoj.png
-.- really.. >:(
Well, he wouldnt want to ruin the fun. :p
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: Wratkie on November 30, 2012, 11:00:31 am
Here's a sneak-peek for those who are dying to see it -
(https://www.opticraft.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FzVxoj.png&hash=98ab47cb9f9d0f35c9475abdb70f352f)
Truely amazing! Even just this small release overwhelms me with the creativity this community has, the intensity here so so great i am gasping for breath! My excitement to see the rest is undoubtably the reason i am shaking where i sit at this very moment! This screenshot even includes a great sense of photography, just look at the ngle and it has the perfect focal point! Thanks for sharing this raul!
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: raul7legend on November 30, 2012, 11:05:07 am
Here's a sneak-peek for those who are dying to see it -
http://i.imgur.com/zVxoj.png
Truely amazing! Even just this small release overwhelms me with the creativity this community has, the intensity here so so great i am gasping for breath! My excitement to see the rest is undoubtably the reason i am shaking where i sit at this very moment! This screenshot even includes a great sense of photography, just look at the ngle and it has the perfect focal point! Thanks for sharing this raul!
You're welcome :)
Although I do think I showed too much...
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: Hasan (Tabooti) on November 30, 2012, 12:47:10 pm
Is there a possibility that we can get a copy of the guest world for download?

Zezenov, IGenerator, and myself would like if we could still have access to our city. Or if possible even crop it out with MC-Schematic to save.
Yes, that should be possible.

Sounds good, I'll be waiting for further updates.
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: hennydeez on November 30, 2012, 12:56:17 pm
Is there a possibility that we can get a copy of the guest world for download?

Zezenov, IGenerator, and myself would like if we could still have access to our city. Or if possible even crop it out with MC-Schematic to save.
Yes, that should be possible.

Sounds good, I'll be waiting for further updates.

Just in case you didn't read.

I have no plans to delete the current guest world at any stage.
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: LIEKABOWSE on November 30, 2012, 02:12:56 pm
Here's a sneak-peek for those who are dying to see it -
(https://www.opticraft.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FzVxoj.png&hash=98ab47cb9f9d0f35c9475abdb70f352f)
My god that's sexy.
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: SalsaInABowl on November 30, 2012, 03:18:47 pm
The Guesr World is outstanding! You can see all of its beauty in full, just those grass blocks...how they have formed to be part of a wonderful hill! Amazing!
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: Coolcrab88 on November 30, 2012, 04:06:42 pm
Here's a sneak-peek for those who are dying to see it -
(https://www.opticraft.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FzVxoj.png&hash=98ab47cb9f9d0f35c9475abdb70f352f)

Holy crap. That's the BEST building I've seen in my life. AMAZING WORK.
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: Tobs on November 30, 2012, 04:53:11 pm
Long awaited world, and I'm looking forward to what people think of it. Finally ops are able to regenerate areas in guest again, no more obliterated areas!
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: VoreReznor on November 30, 2012, 04:57:23 pm
I am excited for this! Smart move Opti.

Will the new guest world have access to Nether and End?
Will we get access to Nether and End from member world in the near future?
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: Xeadin on November 30, 2012, 05:29:18 pm
Long awaited world, and I'm looking forward to what people think of it. Finally ops are able to regenerate areas in guest again, no more obliterated areas!

That is until 1.5 comes out, which sounds like it'll be within a month or so. REDSTONE UPDATE.
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: Tobs on November 30, 2012, 05:55:50 pm
That is until 1.5 comes out, which sounds like it'll be within a month or so. REDSTONE UPDATE.
Well, hopefully there will not be an update for the world generator which is what forced us to stop in the current guest world regenerators; it would make jungles and other things in very odd places...

Not heard much about 1.5 yet, but hopefully not much will change in the world generators so the server should be fine.
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: Boshiwarrior on November 30, 2012, 06:40:47 pm
Looks like I got back at the right time.
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: 360OLLIE on November 30, 2012, 09:02:02 pm
I literally posted a suggestion to make a new spawn area yesterday! Close enough! ;D



Should I move? Is the world really that beast? I want to be one of the first to claim land, but i have SO much established! In the guestworld. Maybe I should sell my spawner and get more ps's and make a new home. What do you guys think?



[Next time, please use the MODIFY button instead of double posting back-to-back replies]
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: FNVcourierjon(SigilStone) on November 30, 2012, 09:14:22 pm
I just saw this today.  I am annoucing I am leaving the server because of this.  I am sorry, my friends, but I just should.  I will miss everyone :'(
-FNVcourierjon


Ps: T.I.A.T :/
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: Nick3306 on November 30, 2012, 09:29:56 pm
I just saw this today.  I am annoucing I am leaving the server because of this.  I am sorry, my friends, but I just should.  I will miss everyone :'(
-FNVcourierjon


Ps: T.I.A.T :/
ummmm ok?
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: ☣2crzy4uall☣ on November 30, 2012, 10:05:53 pm
I just saw this today.  I am annoucing I am leaving the server because of this.  I am sorry, my friends, but I just should.  I will miss everyone :'(
-FNVcourierjon


Ps: T.I.A.T :/


I love how you didnt read the whole post. Opti said there are no plans to delete the current world. So you are leaving because we are getting more space?
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: FNVcourierjon(SigilStone) on November 30, 2012, 10:08:26 pm
T.I.A.T means This is a troll; you fell for it :P
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: raul7legend on November 30, 2012, 10:14:24 pm
T.I.A.T means This is a troll; you fell for it :P
Try harder next time
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: FNVcourierjon(SigilStone) on November 30, 2012, 10:20:47 pm
What do you...nevermind...
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: KevinNova on December 01, 2012, 02:04:37 am
Will there be a new live map?
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: Xeadin on December 01, 2012, 02:18:24 am
I do believe that there will be a new selection from the dropdown (so yes, there may be a new map)
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: Chief149 on December 01, 2012, 02:40:37 am
Won't having 3 maps risk the cpu being overloaded? With 32gB of RAM I doubt that would be an issue, but now the cpu will have to process stuff accross 3 worlds. I've noticed the tick rate goes down a fair bit when there's close to 100 players so this could possibly hurt the tick rate a little. Nice idea, but a 3rd world, especially if this new guest world is going to be the size of the current one, could create some lag.
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: Pensfan121 on December 01, 2012, 02:59:52 am
Thanks to Opticalza for saving me and a billion other people from sadness...I do want to see new guest world though
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: rytovius on December 01, 2012, 09:34:53 pm
Will there be a chance of a new nether? I think we need one of those as much as a guest world in my opinion.
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: Booorad on December 01, 2012, 11:30:41 pm
sounds sweet, when is it expected to be released?
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: DeeKay on December 02, 2012, 04:56:48 am
sounds sweet, when is it expected to be released?
When the next 5% is complete.
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: SalsaInABowl on December 02, 2012, 04:57:09 am
Question is: what are the warps going to be? I think maybe the new one should be guest world, and the current one being oldworld. Or something like that.
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: Xeadin on December 02, 2012, 06:47:59 am
Everyone will be spawning in the new guest world by default. The old one will be available as a warp (in short, the new Guest World will become the /spawn)
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: iGenerator on December 03, 2012, 02:49:18 am
6682.05MB of memory are being used towards the two servers right now (Classic and SMP) I do not think a new SMP world is gonna hurt much of anything at all
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: Nick3306 on December 03, 2012, 03:08:17 am
6682.05MB of memory are being used towards the two servers right now (Classic and SMP) I do not think a new SMP world is gonna hurt much of anything at all
memory is not the problem, it is cpu usage.
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: Mr_Mr_Mr on December 03, 2012, 05:18:22 am
Will there be any easter eggs?
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: SalsaInABowl on December 03, 2012, 05:49:37 am
I can't wait to see the new mod lounge as well.
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: TarynMai on December 03, 2012, 06:19:31 am
Will there be any easter eggs?
Plenty.
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: tiggy26668 on December 03, 2012, 05:30:56 pm
Will there be any easter eggs?
Plenty.

pffft don't lie alicia....

there's absolutely nothing to find anywhere, don't bother looking it's a trap/waste of time, i swear.  ;)
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: Terrewee on December 03, 2012, 07:28:46 pm
Will there be any easter eggs?
Plenty.

pffft don't lie alicia....

there's absolutely nothing to find anywhere, don't bother looking it's a trap/waste of time, i swear.  ;)
hmmm... I've seen your spawn and would have to agree with alicia but your the creator so if you say it has nothing hidden in it I will believe you.... unless you lie :P
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: CazualxGrenade on December 04, 2012, 12:58:02 am
Here's a sneak-peek for those who are dying to see it -
(https://www.opticraft.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FzVxoj.png&hash=98ab47cb9f9d0f35c9475abdb70f352f)
Absolutely Outstanding! Love the green of the dirt, and the great tall grasses on the tops of it! Simply beautiful and so mouth watering!  :P
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: Mr_Mr_Mr on December 04, 2012, 01:37:43 am
Here's a sneak-peek for those who are dying to see it -
http://i.imgur.com/zVxoj.png
Absolutely Outstanding! Love the green of the dirt, and the great tall grasses on the tops of it! Simply beautiful and so mouth watering!  :P
Green dirt?
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: RuthlessTomato on December 04, 2012, 02:56:41 am
Here's a sneak-peek for those who are dying to see it -
http://i.imgur.com/zVxoj.png
Absolutely Outstanding! Love the green of the dirt, and the great tall grasses on the tops of it! Simply beautiful and so mouth watering!  :P
Green dirt?
Grass
Btw, love that pick! It spoiled all the easter eggs!
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: NathanialJones on December 04, 2012, 03:29:36 am
Will there be any easter eggs?
Plenty.

pffft don't lie alicia....

there's absolutely nothing to find anywhere, don't bother looking it's a trap/waste of time, i swear.  ;)
hmmm... I've seen your spawn and would have to agree with alicia but your the creator so if you say it has nothing hidden in it I will believe you.... unless you lie :P
Well I guess well have to wait and find out *grins smugly like he knows something*
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: Spyow on December 04, 2012, 09:42:41 pm
Omg omg omg, can't wait!
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: CazualxGrenade on December 04, 2012, 11:59:40 pm
Here's a sneak-peek for those who are dying to see it -
http://i.imgur.com/zVxoj.png
Absolutely Outstanding! Love the green of the dirt, and the great tall grasses on the tops of it! Simply beautiful and so mouth watering!  :P
Green dirt?
Yes! Absolute green dirt!
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: Wyboth on December 05, 2012, 04:19:19 pm
Will you be making new grief traps? If so, would you please consider my Sora and Roxas sprite?
(https://www.opticraft.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1258.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fii525%2FWyboth%2Fscreenshot_20120720002115.png&hash=a5bc29205911c23f27b2a682113c7697)
If that's too big, my second choice would be Pokemon Trainer White.
(https://www.opticraft.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1258.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fii525%2FWyboth%2Fwhiteminecraft.png&hash=c2b6c98aaa71ef17d5c4a997df9231e8)
If you don't want either of these, that's okay too.
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: Xeadin on December 05, 2012, 05:15:13 pm
This is for SMP, not Classic. These would be waaaaay too big for grief traps on the SMP world, first of all, and we don't do 2-dimensional traps there either.

Nobody (except staff) can freely fly in SMP, so we're not concerned about making 'tall' traps.
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: Spyow on December 05, 2012, 09:29:47 pm
Can we request grief traps?
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: ☣2crzy4uall☣ on December 05, 2012, 09:38:33 pm
Request grief traps? what?
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: Spyow on December 05, 2012, 09:50:15 pm
Request grief traps? what?
I mean ask to have grief traps built in certain places.
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: CazualxGrenade on December 05, 2012, 10:17:01 pm
I don't think that would be possible spyow...
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: ☣2crzy4uall☣ on December 05, 2012, 10:31:10 pm
nope... you havent even been to the new world lol
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: Drunz on December 05, 2012, 10:34:49 pm
Its possible but we won't do it lol
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: RuthlessTomato on December 05, 2012, 11:23:58 pm
Spyow if you looked closely you could find a trap in alot of places. In fact, you might live right next to one. O_O
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: Wyboth on December 05, 2012, 11:43:13 pm
This is for SMP, not Classic. These would be waaaaay too big for grief traps on the SMP world, first of all, and we don't do 2-dimensional traps there either.

Nobody (except staff) can freely fly in SMP, so we're not concerned about making 'tall' traps.
Ok, I thought it might be for classic. I would never expect grief traps of those size in SMP. :P
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: RuthlessTomato on December 05, 2012, 11:45:28 pm
Oh. I forgot they had greif traps for classic lol.
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: SonicHogSpeed on December 06, 2012, 01:34:35 am
Spyow if you looked closely you could find a trap in alot of places. In fact, you might live right next to one. O_O
I have yet to find a grief trap that I didn't need someone to TP me there… Even though I venture out a lot.
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: RuthlessTomato on December 06, 2012, 01:48:52 am
Spyow if you looked closely you could find a trap in alot of places. In fact, you might live right next to one. O_O
I have yet to find a grief trap that I didn't need someone to TP me there… Even though I venture out a lot.
Well, how would you know?
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: Xeadin on December 06, 2012, 02:25:24 am
Spyow if you looked closely you could find a trap in alot of places. In fact, you might live right next to one. O_O
I have yet to find a grief trap that I didn't need someone to TP me there… Even though I venture out a lot.

That's good. We'd rather not spoil their locations to everyone.
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: kagarium on December 06, 2012, 02:26:32 am
Spyow if you looked closely you could find a trap in alot of places. In fact, you might live right next to one. O_O
I have yet to find a grief trap that I didn't need someone to TP me there… Even though I venture out a lot.
Well, how would you know?


Grief it.
 
no ban=plain old house or somethin
ban=grief trap.... shit.... rage ban appeal time!!!
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: RuthlessTomato on December 06, 2012, 02:27:11 am
Xeadin, can i PM you on a thing w/ the traps?
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: SalsaInABowl on December 06, 2012, 02:40:52 am
Spyow if you looked closely you could find a trap in alot of places. In fact, you might live right next to one. O_O
I have yet to find a grief trap that I didn't need someone to TP me there… Even though I venture out a lot.
Well, how would you know?




Grief it.
 
no ban=plain old house or somethin
ban=grief trap.... shit.... rage ban appeal time!!!

This is the second (and probably not recommended) way to test a building to see if it is a grief trap.

(The other one is to maybe ask an admin, who will 99.9999% of the chance not tell you)
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: iGenerator on December 06, 2012, 04:48:47 am
when you find one, you will know trust me.. long story
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: SalsaInABowl on December 06, 2012, 05:22:39 am
when you find one, you will know trust me.. long story

That's everyone's cue to do a ban lookup on iGen.
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: DeeKay on December 06, 2012, 06:42:54 am
Stay on topic please..
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: UnknownHedgehog on December 07, 2012, 12:11:06 am
You guys are gonna love the new world! :)
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: Nhataley on December 07, 2012, 01:28:16 am
You guys are gonna love the new world! :)
Did you build in the spawn of the new world?
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: UnknownHedgehog on December 07, 2012, 01:31:31 am
You guys are gonna love the new world! :)
Did you build in the spawn of the new world?

No, but I did build the warp points for the world, and I've seen the spawn.
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: RuthlessTomato on December 07, 2012, 02:30:36 am
Does it seem basically done?
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: Nick3306 on December 07, 2012, 02:31:32 am
Does it seem basically done?
It will be done when it is done.
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: Nhataley on December 07, 2012, 03:04:26 am
You guys are gonna love the new world! :)
Did you build in the spawn of the new world?

No, but I did build the warp points for the world, and I've seen the spawn.
Oh, Cool Must look good :)
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: lordyokel on December 08, 2012, 06:16:48 pm
Fantastic, im very excited. Im glad to see that there will be another world added!
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: Coolcrab88 on December 08, 2012, 06:45:52 pm
Is this anything to do with Metropolis? (In-game.)
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: Tobs on December 08, 2012, 06:50:54 pm
Is this anything to do with Metropolis? (In-game.)
No - that is in the Member world, not the new Guest world. This a fresh world with brand new spawns and warps.

Be patient, it will be worth the wait - believe me.
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: Coolcrab88 on December 08, 2012, 07:04:16 pm
Is this anything to do with Metropolis? (In-game.)
No - that is in the Member world, not the new Guest world. This a fresh world with brand new spawns and warps.

Be patient, it will be worth the wait - believe me.

Oki can't wait! :D
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: Nick3306 on December 09, 2012, 05:50:00 am
Unfortunately the seed we were building the new guest world on was out of date so we are starting the process of selecting a new seed and copying over EVERYTHING. As you can guess, this could be a painstakingly long process but bear with us please.
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: Xeadin on December 09, 2012, 08:14:13 am
Unfortunately the seed we were building the new guest world on was out of date so we are starting the process of selecting a new seed and copying over EVERYTHING. As you can guess, this could be a painstakingly long process but bear with us please.

That moment where everything was progressing smoothly, then...

CURVE-BALL OUT OF FRICKIN' NOWHERE!
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: Terrewee on December 09, 2012, 11:42:45 am
Ahh don't worry, it will be solved by or lovely admins who can do literary anything, it's only a matter of time.
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: Wyboth on December 09, 2012, 03:23:24 pm
This may have been asked already, but will there be a new Nether to go along with the new guest world?
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: Chipaton on December 09, 2012, 03:41:48 pm
This may have been asked already, but will there be a new Nether to go along with the new guest world?
Considering it will be the "default" world, I would guess.
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: SalsaInABowl on December 09, 2012, 05:46:08 pm
And another End?
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: Nhataley on December 09, 2012, 06:05:29 pm
And another End?
I would think no, because the end has no boarders. It is just endless space so If you want to make a enderman farm you can just go further out.
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: hennydeez on December 09, 2012, 07:00:23 pm
i wouldn't think there would be a new nether and end world, otherwise it would have been said along with the information in the first post.

if there were an additional nether and end that would mean 7 worlds in total (current guestworld;nether and end, memberworld, up-coming guest world; (if you were to say; a new end and nether were to be added with the new guestworld)), in which could/would lead to server lag.

but thats what i would think at least, who knows, there may be a new end and nether worlds.
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: mgfrake on December 09, 2012, 09:13:20 pm
Lol this is gonna be awzm. Even though I dont play smp much..
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: Spyow on December 09, 2012, 09:55:21 pm
Spyow if you looked closely you could find a trap in alot of places. In fact, you might live right next to one. O_O
Aha, I once lived in one, lol.
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: Pensfan121 on December 09, 2012, 11:36:27 pm
I think one nether and one end are plenty enough.
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: rytovius on December 09, 2012, 11:45:11 pm
I think we need a new nether ours is pretty picked over in my opinion.
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: SalsaInABowl on December 10, 2012, 02:01:52 am
I think we need a new nether ours is pretty picked over in my opinion.

Yeah, maybe a new end but that's a maybe. New nether would be great though.
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: Nick3306 on December 10, 2012, 05:19:13 am
I currently do not know about a new nether/ end. I dont even know if it is possible, im sure opti can shed some light on these concerns.
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: DeeKay on December 10, 2012, 05:43:01 am
I don't wanna speak for Optical here, but I'm pretty sure there's something in the bukkit code that doesn't allow linking of more than 1 Nether and End to an Overworld. Unless a plugin like Multiverse is used.
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: hammysandwhich on December 10, 2012, 06:42:23 am
That explains everything...
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: NotABronie on December 11, 2012, 02:26:31 am
definitely gonna //copy and //paste Cora's Wonderland
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: Xeadin on December 11, 2012, 03:01:25 am
definitely gonna //copy and //paste Cora's Wonderland

That's in the Member World, fyi...
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: Nhataley on December 11, 2012, 04:02:40 am
definitely gonna //copy and //paste Cora's Wonderland

That's in the Member World, fyi...

He Probbably means to Copy Cora's Wonderland and Paste it in the New Guest world.

I think that what he means.
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: Xeadin on December 11, 2012, 04:36:16 am
definitely gonna //copy and //paste Cora's Wonderland

That's in the Member World, fyi...

He Probbably means to Copy Cora's Wonderland and Paste it in the New Guest world.

I think that what he means.


I doubt that will happen. Save the space for the guests ;)
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: Nhataley on December 11, 2012, 04:37:16 am
lol, that is probbably best :)
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: Pensfan121 on December 15, 2012, 06:03:10 pm
If your going to make a new nether just add one to member world, but I see no reason for deleting the old guest world one since old guest world will not be deleted.
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: Mr_Mr_Mr on December 15, 2012, 06:58:12 pm
but I see no reason for deleting the old guest world one since old guest world will not be deleted.
What are you talking about?
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: Pensfan121 on December 15, 2012, 07:04:40 pm
I was right look at comments above on the 10 page
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: benc117 on December 16, 2012, 08:48:55 am
Nick,
could you put the world for a free download on the fourms ( just before it gets put in)?
that would be great because ALOT of people would like a copy
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: raul7legend on December 16, 2012, 09:58:53 am
Nick,
could you put the world for a free download on the fourms ( just before it gets put in)?
that would be great because ALOT of people would like a copy
The new guest world, or the old one?
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: joshskiizz on December 16, 2012, 05:57:02 pm
Nick,
could you put the world for a free download on the fourms ( just before it gets put in)?
that would be great because ALOT of people would like a copy
Either world will not be uploaded for obvious reasons.
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: Nick3306 on December 16, 2012, 06:11:38 pm
Nick,
could you put the world for a free download on the fourms ( just before it gets put in)?
that would be great because ALOT of people would like a copy
The new guest world, or the old one?
That's irrelevant because neither will be put up for download.
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: clawstrider on December 16, 2012, 07:20:33 pm
When a world is deleted, we should get a copy. That's what happened for the 1.7 server. Before it is deleted though? Nope.
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: DeeKay on December 16, 2012, 07:49:47 pm
When a world is deleted, we should get a copy. That's what happened for the 1.7 server. Before it is deleted though? Nope.
That was a mistake by Optical, it wasn't intentional.
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: Terrewee on December 16, 2012, 08:11:21 pm
right NOW there is no world being deleted so NOW is not the time to ask for a download.
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: clawstrider on December 16, 2012, 09:20:09 pm
When a world is deleted, we should get a copy. That's what happened for the 1.7 server. Before it is deleted though? Nope.
That was a mistake by Optical, it wasn't intentional.

May I ask why worlds that are not being used by the server should not be up for download?

Pros:
People building can finish a build they never got to finish
People can fly around, exploring it, in creative

Cons
People can steal builds, but there are already mods for that anyway (I've seen one that downloads and saves any chunk you walk in, while playing SMP), and if someone is going to steal a build, they'd hardly care about the mod rule.
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: Mr_Mr_Mr on December 16, 2012, 09:46:34 pm
Cons
People can steal builds, but there are already mods for that anyway (I've seen one that downloads and saves any chunk you walk in, while playing SMP), and if someone is going to steal a build, they'd hardly care about the mod rule.
There is something you missed. You can cheat and find diamonds in the world and dig them up on the server.

If the world is removed, then they'll most likely put it up for download, like they did with the 1.8 world.
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: raul7legend on December 16, 2012, 09:51:41 pm
Nick,
could you put the world for a free download on the fourms ( just before it gets put in)?
that would be great because ALOT of people would like a copy
The new guest world, or the old one?
That's irrelevant because neither will be put up for download.
I never thought it was, I just wanted to know what he was talking about
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: DeeKay on December 17, 2012, 04:49:48 am
When a world is deleted, we should get a copy. That's what happened for the 1.7 server. Before it is deleted though? Nope.
That was a mistake by Optical, it wasn't intentional.

May I ask why worlds that are not being used by the server should not be up for download?

Pros:
People building can finish a build they never got to finish
People can fly around, exploring it, in creative

Cons
People can steal builds, but there are already mods for that anyway (I've seen one that downloads and saves any chunk you walk in, while playing SMP), and if someone is going to steal a build, they'd hardly care about the mod rule.
Claw, what are you talking about? We already know the pros and cons to it..
But have you not been reading anything here? No world is being deleted, so no world is being released.

Also, why did you quote me on that? It's got nothing to do with what I said.
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: Nhataley on December 17, 2012, 05:06:17 am
Wait, Were not getting a new world? ???
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: joshskiizz on December 17, 2012, 05:15:21 am
Yes, we are still getting a new world. No world is being deleted, either.
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: Nhataley on December 17, 2012, 05:44:26 am
Yes, we are still getting a new world. No world is being deleted, either.
Oh, Ok. That is Great then. :)

Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: TheWholeLoaf on December 17, 2012, 06:04:43 am
Can't wait for it  :D
I've already got a plan drawn out for my city all that's left is to build   :P
 8)
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: iGenerator on December 17, 2012, 07:27:26 am
Can't wait for it  :D
I've already got a plan drawn out for my city all that's left is to build   :P
 8)
Good use of the emotions : P
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: NotABronie on December 20, 2012, 01:58:14 am
Cons
People can steal builds, but there are already mods for that anyway (I've seen one that downloads and saves any chunk you walk in, while playing SMP), and if someone is going to steal a build, they'd hardly care about the mod rule.

Please excuse the poor chronology, but what do you mean by "steal builds"
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: SonicHogSpeed on December 20, 2012, 02:02:42 am
Cons
People can steal builds, but there are already mods for that anyway (I've seen one that downloads and saves any chunk you walk in, while playing SMP), and if someone is going to steal a build, they'd hardly care about the mod rule.

Please excuse the poor chronology, but what do you mean by "steal builds"
He means that people can copy another's creation and claim it as their own on the server
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: square_skull on December 20, 2012, 03:25:38 am
Yay!
Now i will be able to get leather & slime and stuff!
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: NotABronie on December 21, 2012, 12:59:07 am
Cons
People can steal builds, but there are already mods for that anyway (I've seen one that downloads and saves any chunk you walk in, while playing SMP), and if someone is going to steal a build, they'd hardly care about the mod rule.

Please excuse the poor chronology, but what do you mean by "steal builds"
He means that people can copy another's creation and claim it as their own on the server

What Uber Fagitron 2000's...
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: Mr_Mr_Mr on December 21, 2012, 01:33:46 am
95% done!
It's been 21 days since you've announced it's 95% done and it's still not out. Does this mean that you've been working on it for well over 1995 days? (21*95)
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: TheWholeLoaf on December 21, 2012, 02:08:30 am
Remeber, they said that the seed the world was saved on wasnt any good so they've been spending time copying things over to another one.
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: Nick3306 on December 21, 2012, 02:13:01 am
95% done!
It's been 21 days since you've announced it's 95% done and it's still not out. Does this mean that you've been working on it for well over 1995 days? (21*95)
There are so many things wrong with this statement i dont know where to start....
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: kagarium on December 21, 2012, 02:15:43 am
What about everything in the old guest world? Will we have a way of moving it without having to tear everything down and rebuilding it?
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: SalsaInABowl on December 21, 2012, 02:28:58 am
Holy crap. Guys. Read the first page.
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: Nhataley on December 21, 2012, 02:42:50 am
Holy crap. Guys. Read the first page.
I know right?
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: Drunz on December 22, 2012, 02:20:44 am
Holy crap. Guys. Read the first page.

Not to be rude but Snipe, weren't you one of the ones whining about the same thing?
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: SalsaInABowl on December 22, 2012, 02:29:12 am
Holy crap. Guys. Read the first page.

Not to be rude but Snipe, weren't you one of the ones whining about the same thing?

I wasn't talking about that, I was talking about how people still think the world was being deleted.
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: clawstrider on December 22, 2012, 12:09:35 pm
Please excuse the poor chronology, but what do you mean by "steal builds"

Yeah, sonic understood.

There is something you missed. You can cheat and find diamonds in the world and dig them up on the server.

If the world is removed, then they'll most likely put it up for download, like they did with the 1.8 world.

I already agreed that if a world is in use, it should not be put up for download. I was talking in reply to DK.


Claw, what are you talking about? We already know the pros and cons to it..
But have you not been reading anything here? No world is being deleted, so no world is being released.

Also, why did you quote me on that? It's got nothing to do with what I said.

You claimed that the 1.7 world being put up for download (After the world had been deleted) was "A mistake by Optical, it wasn't intentional.".
This world had already been deleted, after he put it up for download. I'm not entirely sure what you're talking about.
If you had read my quote, I agreed that after it is deleted (Are you saying that no worlds will ever be deleted ever again?) it should be put up for download.

Maybe my original post was a little hard to understand, but it was mostly in reply to:

Nick,
could you put the world for a free download on the fourms ( just before it gets put in)?
that would be great because ALOT of people would like a copy

saying that ONLY after a world is deleted, should it be put up for download. The thing that seemed to confuse most people was not reading:

May I ask why worlds that are not being used by the server should not be up for download?

The not bit. I was agreeing with you guys, not quite sure why it started this.
Title: Re: New guest world announcement!
Post by: CookieMaster on December 24, 2012, 09:04:37 pm
 :D