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Discussion forum => Offtopic => Topic started by: Owlgirl66 on September 12, 2012, 04:26:34 am
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Okay so as you all should know... It's September 11,2012 which means it's 9/11. Life is full of heartless people. Innocent people had lost their lives, peoplr lost their familu member, ect. On 9/11 everyone should think about those who died. I watched a video in History Class about some of the survivors of 9/11. It was really really sad. Anyway, today you should take just even a second to think about what had happen to all the people.
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My school is pretty heartless. Wouldn't excuse my friends absence for a funeral. And when they were doing the moment of silence today, it was like ONE SECOND. Remember 9/11 guys. My Physics teacher told me a story which I will now reel to you about how much 9/11 really changed us.
Back then, USA was entirely careless. Nobody had to be careful. Kids would roam the streets freely without worry that something might happen to them. People didn't have to lock their car. People didn't even close their door at night. Everything was almost too idealistic. But then, after 9/11, everything went horrible. Think of the Dark Ages in the sixth century. We used to be able to trust everything back then. Now, we trust absolutely nothing. We barely even trust ourselves. Heartless people. I am still glad that we don't have to worry about Osama Bin Laden. To those who died at 9/11, Rest in Peace and I wish your families the best of luck. And may Osama burn in hell.
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We didnt even have a moment of silence at my school.
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Why not take a moment to also remember all the people who get killed daily all around the world?
People need to start thinking outside of the U.S.A.
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Why not take a moment to also remember all the people who get killed daily all around the world?
People need to start thinking outside of the U.S.A.
It's 9/11 dude.
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Why not take a moment to also remember all the people who get killed daily all around the world?
People need to start thinking outside of the U.S.A.
It's 9/11 dude.
Yes, but hes right. I'm not sure why Non-Americans should really care that much. Its not like it happened to them.
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I saw it happen live on tv back in 2001. I must say, even though I'm not from the States, every year on 9/11 I think about that horrible day 11 years ago. I was like, 10 back then, so I don't expect many of you to have seen it, but at that moment, nobody knew what was going to happen. If you look at videos of it at school now, you already know the second plane is coming, you know those towers are going to collapse, and you know all those people inside are going to die. But at that moment, 11 years ago, it was so frightening, I'll never forget it.
Have some respect people <3
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Why not take a moment to also remember all the people who get killed daily all around the world?
People need to start thinking outside of the U.S.A.
i actually agree with this.. :/
sorry for seeming heartless, but its been 12 years. yes, i respect and remember those who died, but does everybody have to get up and call it a tragedy every year, and think how evil muslims are etc etc?
im sorry, but 9/11 was nothing compared to hiroshima, and i honestly believe 9/11 shouldnt be called a tragedy.
again, dont mean to offend anyone, i do respect and remember those who died.
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Why not take a moment to also remember all the people who get killed daily all around the world?
People need to start thinking outside of the U.S.A.
i actually agree with this.. :/
sorry for seeming heartless, but its been 12 years. yes, i respect and remember those who died, but does everybody have to get up and call it a tragedy every year, and think how evil muslims are etc etc?
im sorry, but 9/11 was nothing compared to hiroshima, and i honestly believe 9/11 shouldnt be called a tragedy.
again, dont mean to offend anyone, i do respect and remember those who died.
same here, you know its bad that happened. but seriously if you are not american, it gets rubbed in your face. while way worse things are happening. not to be offending
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My school is pretty heartless. Wouldn't excuse my friends absence for a funeral. And when they were doing the moment of silence today, it was like ONE SECOND. Remember 9/11 guys. My Physics teacher told me a story which I will now reel to you about how much 9/11 really changed us.
Back then, USA was entirely careless. Nobody had to be careful. Kids would roam the streets freely without worry that something might happen to them. People didn't have to lock their car. People didn't even close their door at night. Everything was almost too idealistic. But then, after 9/11, everything went horrible. Think of the Dark Ages in the sixth century. We used to be able to trust everything back then. Now, we trust absolutely nothing. We barely even trust ourselves. Heartless people. I am still glad that we don't have to worry about Osama Bin Laden. To those who died at 9/11, Rest in Peace and I wish your families the best of luck. And may Osama burn in hell.
I know it wass like 5 seconds! I didn't really get stuff said in my mind!
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I was actually gonna build a small memorial.
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I saw it happen live on tv back in 2001. I must say, even though I'm not from the States, every year on 9/11 I think about that horrible day 11 years ago. I was like, 10 back then, so I don't expect many of you to have seen it, but at that moment, nobody knew what was going to happen. If you look at videos of it at school now, you already know the second plane is coming, you know those towers are going to collapse, and you know all those people inside are going to die. But at that moment, 11 years ago, it was so frightening, I'll never forget it.
Have some respect people <3
Same here. I think a lot of kids today are out of touch with how bad it really was simply because they were too young to even remember it. There is a certain horror factor with watching it unfold compared to hearing or learning about it when you get older. I honestly wont ever forget that day as long as I live.
@psyko comparing it to hiroshima is just a plain ignorant thing to do.
@Alicia 9/11 may not have happened to other contries but terrorist organizations make strikes all around the globe. it's not just the US.
@500 I didnt make a topic like this yesterday because I knew someone like you would bring that shit up. It is about remembering the victims, not going on some anti governemnt rant.
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Guys, I know I'm not American, but it's been 11 years, and it's really time to move on, unless you have a relative that was affected by 9/11, there's no need for a moment of silence unless you actually want to pay your respects.
Btw. The rest of the world doesn't see what's so bad about the 9th of November, (9/11)
#america
Btw, haroshima happened during a war, and the Japanese were given warnings which they chose to ignore. The rape of Nanking was the worst war crime commited by the japs, far worse then haroshima.
Edit: what I find funny is that some terrorists with 20$ worth of kitchen knifes and fake bombs brought down 2 multibillion dollar skyscrapers and 2 multimillion dollar jets. I really only respect the people onboard flight united 93. If your going to die, resist.
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I agree with different views on this.
I'm not American but I still feel for the families and friends of those who died that day. And for people to be saying things like 'it's been 11 years, it's over, bla bla bla' is just plain stupid. It was a terrifying day for everyone, and those who died should always be remembered. Doesn't matter if it's been 11 years or 100 years, things like this shouldn't just be forgotten or go un-noticed all of a sudden.
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Again tyler, it is different for those of us who were old enough to remember it with accuracy and watched it happen.
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I think honoring the massive loss of life from this event is entirely justified. Everyone can have their own opinions but we don't need this to go into some conspiracy talk, thats just plain rude. Locking this unless anyone objects.
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There is absolutely NO reason to lock this. Not one person has said anything about conspiracy or anything that is rude.
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Like nick said: I am too young to remember, but a little of it. I remember i was sitting in a preschool, and it had been a boring day. At about 9:30ish my time, a plane hit and all the teachers were going crazy. I respect everyone who dies. Thats just the way I was born. If my worst enemy died today, I would feel sorrow for not only him, but his family.
This cowerly act of terrorism should not be forgotten. Even tho it happoned, america is still strong. We have been through a lot, but out of the ashes, we found hope. Yes, we did kill the one responcible for this, but this attack made us stronger.
You can call me christian if you want, but the doller bill says in god we trust. He will never fail us.
My school had a 9/11 presntation at school yesterday, and I was the main speaker. No one else would take it, and that made me mad. We need to remember what we lost, but also remember what we have gained from it.
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and how its being used to manipulate the american public through fear for political gain, and to restrict our rights and freedoms.
Thats what I was talking about, and I only locked it because there is no reason to be disrespectful about it. This topic will most likely turn into a flame war over nothing, and I think there is no reason for it.
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To 2crzy4uall: I went ahead and removed my original post as to not offend anyone.
@500 I didnt make a topic like this yesterday because I knew someone like you would bring that shit up. It is about remembering the victims, not going on some anti governemnt rant.
Everyone in the world who has been negatively affected and those who are still being affected today, by 911 IS a victim. I'm just trying to say the rest of us on earth who are alive and remain should learn from events of our past.
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Personally I kinda wish instead of building a monument where the towers were, the original buildings would have been constructed, but with some sort of security to prevent planes from destroying them. The reason being that by building a monument instead of simply rebuilding the original towers, America is allowing the terrorists to win. If we rebuild the towers, that shows that if a terrorist does something, we will recover. The monument just shows that we are horrifically torn apart emotionally, and that is what those terrorists wanted when they crashed the planes into the towers. It's sad really.
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Tyler, you shouldn't say that. A lot of people lost loved ones that day and they can't move on. I think saying "time to move on" was rude. I know you are not American but that can really hurt someone's feelings. As they say... "We will never forget" I agree with that quote.
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My Mom was constantly crying for 2 days straight. I was only one year old when it happened. My sister was Three when it happened. My Aunt and Uncle Live in New York City, and they were away when it happened. On 9/10 Our reading teacher made us write a friendly letter to someone who saves lives, I wrote one to the Navy SEALS And what they did for us. All the Training they have done to Locate, Capture or Kill Osama Bin Laden. And ever since I have heard about 9/11 I always thought about that day when I was thinking about my dad and the Military. And on 9/11/12 We were all about 9/11, Except my Math, Reading, Science teachers. And What is stupid about this day forward People forgot about the Field in Pennsylvania That the Hijackers crashed into. That's the part that makes me mad, and the WTC, And the Pentagon. But, The Pentagon's damage wasn't very severe from Bird's Eye view, yet a LOT of people died. And our Geography teacher told us He was upset about the twin towers being destroyed. Especially when people were jumping out of Windows, people's hair were on fire, all that sadness, and he said He would be even MORE upset if they crashed into the Statue of Liberty. And I'm not trying to make fun of 9/11, but he said if he were a terrorist, he wouldn't blow up the twin towers, he would blow up Disney world. Not the whole thing, But the Ride "It's a Small World." He said the ride got jammed and the little Gnomes were singing CONSTANTLY for 45 minutes and he got tired of it. well, That is all I have to say about 9/11. It's a sad story.... :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
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Personally I kinda wish instead of building a monument where the towers were, the original buildings would have been constructed, but with some sort of security to prevent planes from destroying them. The reason being that by building a monument instead of simply rebuilding the original towers, America is allowing the terrorists to win. If we rebuild the towers, that shows that if a terrorist does something, we will recover. The monument just shows that we are horrifically torn apart emotionally, and that is what those terrorists wanted when they crashed the planes into the towers. It's sad really.
That's what I am wondering, why not just rebuild the towers?
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Personally I kinda wish instead of building a monument where the towers were, the original buildings would have been constructed, but with some sort of security to prevent planes from destroying them. The reason being that by building a monument instead of simply rebuilding the original towers, America is allowing the terrorists to win. If we rebuild the towers, that shows that if a terrorist does something, we will recover. The monument just shows that we are horrifically torn apart emotionally, and that is what those terrorists wanted when they crashed the planes into the towers. It's sad really.
That's what I am wondering, why not just rebuild the towers?
They are rebuilding them, kind of. They're making a new "WTC", which contains 4 towers, only one is complete, as far as I know.
Anyways, I remember 9/11 like it was yesterday, I was in school when it happened and it really was a horrible event in USA, and humanity's history, and should be honored properly, but there's also a lot going on in the world, which is my point. I'm not trying to bash 9/11 or disrespect it in any way, just clearing that up.
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okay so I'm a day late but... I was only three when the attacks happened I dolt remember much except for a drawing I made of the planes hitting and the firefighters and officials in hazmat suits. That is something I will never forget
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3000 people died in pearl habour, it was unexpected and war was not declared yet. Why doesn't the whole country take a moment of silence on December 7, 1941? People will move on. And yes, it was a event that was terrorizing and I respect all other views on it.
Heres the picture of the new Tower under construction:
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When its done it will be 1776 feet tall :P Symbolic and making it the tallest in the US
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Yea, I was in NYC recently and the towers look great!
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Yea, I was in NYC recently and the towers look great!
As was I. I looked at the city's skyline across the Hudson river. I noticed the tower (i think). Definitely stood out.
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3000 people died in pearl habour, it was unexpected and war was not declared yet. Why doesn't the whole country take a moment of silence on December 7, 1941? People will move on. And yes, it was a event that was terrorizing and I respect all other views on it.
Heres the picture of the new Tower under construction:
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We do remember Pearl Harbor day dude. Oddly enough, the ONE day that I have to prove I do, is when I forget. Wasn't it on December 7?
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3000 people died in pearl habour, it was unexpected and war was not declared yet. Why doesn't the whole country take a moment of silence on December 7, 1941? People will move on. And yes, it was a event that was terrorizing and I respect all other views on it.
Everything Fades with time. Plus, like I have said 3 times already, stuff is MUCH more memorable if you were there to see it. That is one of the reasons why I hold more importance to this day than you, since you were not old enough to comprehend all of it.
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The reason why 9/11 is so terrible in American's minds is because it was the first attack on American soil since Pearl Harbor. Everyone was shocked and sad when it happened. The reason why we don't remember Pearl Harbor as vividly is because the generation that experienced it is nearly all dead, and their children were, again, too young to remember it or not born yet. But if you go to the Lincoln Memorial, directly across the Reflecting Pool is a monument dedicated to Pearl Harbor. I'm almost positive there will be a similar monument made somewhere, if it hasn't been made already.
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Btw. The rest of the world doesn't see what's so bad about the 9th of November, (9/11)
You're right, the rest of the world doesn't see what's so bad about the 9th of November, (9/11) - Because this horrifying tragedy occurred on the 11th of September, (9/11)
3000 people died in pearl habour, it was unexpected and war was not declared yet. Why doesn't the whole country take a moment of silence on December 7, 1941? People will move on. And yes, it was a event that was terrorizing and I respect all other views on it.
Pearl Harbor was a military base, nearly all those who perished that day were enlisted.
Twin Towers casualties were civilians. There is a massive difference between the two events.
In both horrific events, the U.S. learned who the enemies of our nation were, planned strategies, organized troops and supplies. Then retaliated
“...in war, they will kill some of us; we shall destroy all of them”
― Thomas Jefferson
"The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his."
― George S. Patton
“It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died. Rather, we should thank God that such men lived.”
― George S. Patton Jr.
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Btw. The rest of the world doesn't see what's so bad about the 9th of November, (9/11)
You're right, the rest of the world doesn't see what's so bad about the 9th of November, (9/11) - Because this horrifying tragedy occurred on the 11th of September, (9/11)
not true i saw it, i even saw footage of inside the building. we do see whats wrong with it. but we don't mourn the dead. we just get television specials over conspiracy theories we don't give a rats ass about o.o
of course we know that it was horrifying, a kid in my class knew someone who died there(on a holiday).
but its not connected to most of us(as non-americans)
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9/11 isn't something that should be forgotten and for those of us that actually remember that day it's something that cannot ever be forgotten. I remember like ti was yesterday, 11 years ago, being in class all the teachers getting calls and having that look of horror on their face, hearing the principle over the loud speaker saying how we're all being sent home. i looked out the window in my classroom and looked at the sky and just wondered...." what is going on out there". I lived 3 hours from the towers, 3 hours from the Flight 93 crash, and 2 1/2 hours from the Pentagon, so all this was fairly close to me. I sat there at my house waiting for my mom to get home from work , watching the news, i watched the towers get hit and watched them fall. i was terrified. i was only 9 years old but i knew something had just happened that will change our country. Just like how those people that survived pearl harbor knew something big had just happened in History.
Yes, people die everyday, its a part of life, and everyone deserves to be remembered. but when a mass amount of people are killed, the remembrance is something that goes without question. September 11th is another day that goes down in infamy, just like December 7th 1941 ( pearl harbor ) , and June 6th 1944( D-Day ).
We need to remember things to learn from them. If we forget our past we are bound to make the same mistakes.
September 11th isn't meant to make people think of Muslims, Al-Qaeda, conspiracy theory's, and cause hatred, It's to keep the memory alive of those lost.
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I saw some pictures in third grade of the explosion and smoke and it looked like giant mashed potatoes - horror. Tyler, we wont forget about it, why the hell would we, it's what started the war, the terrorists screwed shit up it's kinda like a tradition to always take a moment of silence and not move on from it. I also think that 911 is worse than pearl harbor because hiroshima and that other city was bombed by the first used attomic bombs (little boy and fat man). And something cool i think is is that i think the terrorists planned the bombing for 911 because that is the emerganecy number for emergency's, and it was a big emergency. Oh and we didnt take a moment of silence here cause its germany (not america).
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It is not the fault of the Muslims. Last year we studied the religion in History, and believe it or not,
Osama broke several rules of the Muslim religion. There are rules of war in the Islam religion.
Don't remember all of them but two I remember are...
1. You are not to destroy anything.
2. You are not to kill children
3. You are not to kill any innocents
I know it turned out to be three but whatever. So don't blame it on Islam. It was Osama himself.
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You're right, the rest of the world doesn't see what's so bad about the 9th of November, (9/11) - Because this horrifying tragedy occurred on the 11th of September, (9/11)
not true i saw it, i even saw footage of inside the building. we do see whats wrong with it. but we don't mourn the dead. we just get television specials over conspiracy theories we don't give a rats ass about o.o
of course we know that it was horrifying, a kid in my class knew someone who died there(on a holiday).
but its not connected to most of us(as non-americans)
I believe you misunderstood my post - I quoted Tyler's post and corrected him. Btw. The rest of the world doesn't see what's so bad about the 9th of November, (9/11)
Tyler does not have his facts straight.
The horrific event of 9/11 occurred on September 11th, not November 9th.
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You're right, the rest of the world doesn't see what's so bad about the 9th of November, (9/11) - Because this horrifying tragedy occurred on the 11th of September, (9/11)
not true i saw it, i even saw footage of inside the building. we do see whats wrong with it. but we don't mourn the dead. we just get television specials over conspiracy theories we don't give a rats ass about o.o
of course we know that it was horrifying, a kid in my class knew someone who died there(on a holiday).
but its not connected to most of us(as non-americans)
oh sorry mate
I believe you misunderstood my post - I quoted Tyler's post and corrected him. Btw. The rest of the world doesn't see what's so bad about the 9th of November, (9/11)
Tyler does not have his facts straight.
The horrific event of 9/11 occurred on September 11th, not November 9th.
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you guys are gonna think Im a jerk for saying this, but honestly, I think we need to let it go, it's been 11 years. America has caused greater grief to other countries, also why should the world feel our pain?
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As someone from the UK, there's little to no coverage of it now. I remember there being a few programs last year, but over here, seems we've just moved on and gotten over it. Only minutes of silence we ever have are for D-Day i think it is, which, by the way, is the 11'th Second of the 11'th minute of the 11'th hour of the 11'th day of the 11'th month
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you guys are gonna think Im a jerk for saying this, but honestly, I think we need to let it go, it's been 11 years. America has caused greater grief to other countries, also why should the world feel our pain?
The last part is true. 1946, I believe. Mr Nixon decides a good idea is to atomic bomb Japan. While effective...just unethical.
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you guys are gonna think Im a jerk for saying this, but honestly, I think we need to let it go, it's been 11 years. America has caused greater grief to other countries, also why should the world feel our pain?
The last part is true. 1946, I believe. Mr Nixon decides a good idea is to atomic bomb Japan. While effective...just unethical.
August 6,1945 was the dropping of the first atomic bomb on Hiroshima (aka the dropping of the "Little Boy" bomb). 3 days later on August 9,1945, "Fat Man" was dropped on Nagasaki. It was not Mr. Nixon who made the call because this was before Nixon's time (he took office in 1969). It was actually Harry Truman, the Vice President of Franklin Delano Roosevelt who took office when FDR passed away. While you can argue if it was ethical or unethical to drop atomic bombs on Japan, remember that the US was in a war with them in the first place. It did not happen because the US felt like bombing a random country.
However, I do like the comparison. Because even though it was a war, it is the closest comparison anyone has made so far of 9/11 in the world's history. Because what happened on 9/11 and in Hiroshima and Nagasaki gave great CIVILIAN casualties as opposed to soldier casualties. Hiroshima and Nagasaki's attacks still have effect on people today (survivors of the bombing, who have traces of radiation on them).
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You're right, the rest of the world doesn't see what's so bad about the 9th of November, (9/11) - Because this horrifying tragedy occurred on the 11th of September, (9/11)
not true i saw it, i even saw footage of inside the building. we do see whats wrong with it. but we don't mourn the dead. we just get television specials over conspiracy theories we don't give a rats ass about o.o
of course we know that it was horrifying, a kid in my class knew someone who died there(on a holiday).
but its not connected to most of us(as non-americans)
I believe you misunderstood my post - I quoted Tyler's post and corrected him. Btw. The rest of the world doesn't see what's so bad about the 9th of November, (9/11)
Tyler does not have his facts straight.
The horrific event of 9/11 occurred on September 11th, not November 9th.
Dude. Im just making fun of the fact that Americans have their date system different to the entire world.
Everywhere else, it goes DD/MM/YYYY, in America, its MM/DD/YYYY, so 9/11/(2001) would actually be 11/9/(2001) everywhere else. A lot of people around the world actually get confused because of that.
just saying. And this:
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I still love America :3 My favorite next door neighbour for buying designer goods from :P
Also. Haroshima is not a war crime/terrorism. War has been declared on japan for a good 4 years, and they recieved abundant warnings which they chose to ignore. They were given the option to surrender after Haroshima, instead they declined and that resulted in the bombing of Nagasaki. After that, they still refused to surrender, the US send a NORMAL bombing run over Tokyo as a fair warning for whats coming next, and finally Japan gave in.
9/11. Perfectly fine day, Airport security was chill and laid back. 4 airliners get hijacked out of nowhere, 3000 innocent people die without warning.
If you want to see a real war crime, look at the Holocaust and this(NSFW): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_of_Nanking
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How did we get from 9/11 to Arbitrary Retarded Rollercoaster?