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Title: Aquain: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [WIP]
Post by: OzzyKP on December 20, 2012, 08:28:44 pm
I ran out of space in this thread, so   please visit my new thread here (http://www.opticraft.net/index.php/topic,17920.0.html) to follow the progress of Aquain.

(https://www.opticraft.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FsAal7.png&hash=e5781b36b42a84c6e68078f8315c1964)

Howdy all!  I noticed in a few places folks on this server started (http://www.opticraft.net/index.php?topic=8697.0), considered (http://www.opticraft.net/index.php/topic,10297.0.html) or suggested (http://www.opticraft.net/index.php/topic,4644.0.html) building underwater cities but then gave up because it proved too difficult.  So I took that as a challenge and I've been working on my own underwater city ever since I joined (a month ago) and I've gotten a lot done, but I have very ambitious plans for it, so there is still quite a lot left to do.  I have ten underwater domes so far, with underwater tunnels and rail connecting them all (more or less).  It is still very much a work in progress, and I hate showing off unfinished stuff, but I figure there is enough now to give you guys at least a sneak peak at what I'm putting together.

I'm not sure what to call it, I've been using the name "Aquain" but I'm not sold on that as the city name yet.  If anyone has any better suggestions please let me know.

Here's some thoughts on my idea for the city.

Philosophy

I am striving for a very realistic creation (despite the underwater part, heh).  So if I have residential space for 1,000 people (let's say) then I want to create enough schools, hospitals, churches, transportation, work places, etc that can accommodate that many people.  Despite the rather fantastic setting I want this city to be completely plausible.  So eventually I hope to build things like power plants and water treatment plants and other structures that are necessary for modern living.  All cities are systems.  They have both internal systems and are part of larger external ones.  I intend to represent this in my city.  For example, people need to eat, but I don't want to have any underwater farms, so I'm going to build big cargo subs (and docking bays to house them) to represent some vibrant trade with the outside world.

I am very interested in getting the scale right too.  I think a lot of Minecraft builds are meant to be awe inspiring, so have like 40 foot ceilings and other grand things everywhere.  I intend to do that stuff, when it fits, but otherwise I hope to squeeze my structures into compact space.  Not only do I think that is more realistic, but considering this whole city is underwater space should be a luxury.  That said, I hope to make good use of the space I have.  The few semi-finished interiors I have done are in a relatively small space, but fit a lot into them.  I'll look at them in more detail later.

Also, in my drive for realism I hope to have a realistic class structure.  Not all residences will be the same size.  I hope to have homes for the lower class, middle class, upper class and super rich in my city.  This is no socialist utopia (dystopia imho).

Structure

My city is, thusfar, based around domes.  I think underwater glass domes really capture the mystique of underwater cities better than anything else.  My very first build here was a large chamber built into the sea floor with a big flat glass top on it.  It was not only plain and boring, it was implausible.  A flat ceiling of glass that large would probably collapse under the weight of the water.  So I went with domes, and they look pretty cool, I must say.

My layout, so far, is fairly orderly.  I have a large dome which I intend to be the downtown/central business district.  Shooting off from that in one direction I have a walkway that leads to a residential section.  The first two domes you see are going to be upper class homes.  Further east from there is a pod of six domes intended for middle class residences.  I have started building the interiors on these and the condo pics below are from these.  Like any well laid out city I hope to put structures in places that make sense.  Schools & churches near residential areas, industrial areas further away, large ports near industrial and commercial areas, etc.

While the city is underwater and based around domes, most of the actual living space will be underground.  I think this is fairly practical/realistic, plus with the ocean being only 16 tiles deep I don't have a lot of other options.  I could purely build horizontal, but with all the stuff I want to fit into this city that'd require taking up half the map, hah, and there just isn't enough available ocean for that.

Eventually I hope to also throw a lot of cool things in the water around the city.  Subs coming and going, sea weed, sunken ships, giant squids, etc.

Style

I have been started designing a custom texture pack to go with the city, but style wise I haven't quite decided on what I'm doing yet.  I'm taking influences from steampunk, art deco/Bioshock, and 50's futurism blended with many contemporary ideas.  A world that takes its design cues and style inspiration from these sources, but is primarily practical in its outlook. Function over form.  So, for example, when you look at a lot of steampunk style there are often just random gears stuck in every spot possible that seem to do nothing practical except look cool.  But gears are a highly practical and useful item, not decoration.  So I'll use them when it fits, but not otherwise.

I think I've love to go with a 1950's retro futurism look, but the main design element in that style is radically curved and rounded surfaces.  Of course that is very difficult to do with Minecraft blocks.  So I think I'm probably going to go with a more Art Deco approach.  Yet at the same time I really like the rough hewn look of exposed metal, whereas Art Deco is a more sophisticated, polished look.  So I'm not terribly sure what I'm doing with this yet, but I'll figure something out.  (I'm open to suggestions)

My custom texture pack is going to be a big part of the city.  There will be areas that won't look right unless you are using my texture pack.  As I've told the few people who have actually visited the city so far, it looks much better through my eyes.

Environment

I think I've pretty well mastered building underwater, so while others who have tried to do it have seen that as a large impediment to their project it doesn't bother me at all.  My biggest challenge though is space.  Sadly I couldn't find anywhere on the map where the water is deeper than 16 tiles.  So if I want to build domes taller than that (I do) then I have to lower the sea floor which is a pain in the ass and takes a lot of work.  I did that for my large dome, but I need a lot more land lowered.  A few people have helped out with this here and there, but I've found it is hard to give people exact instructions on what to dig and what not to.

One benefit of lowering the sea floor is that right under my large dome there was a large underground ravine.  I've turned that into an underwater trench which looks pretty awesome imho.  Since it runs right under my large dome I hope to incorporate that into the plan for my downtown area.  Perhaps shops/offices build into the cliff wall with suspended walkways connecting them across the ravine.  Hopefully it'll be cool.  The bottom of the trench is 52 blocks below sea level.

Location

http://smp.opticraft.net/map/#/2404/64/3593/-2/1/0

Come to /home ozzykp upper to see my progress with my upper class homes (still working on them)

Come to /home ozzykp view to see a view of the city from the surface

Come to /home ozzykp church to see the cathedral.  The school is nearby too.

Come to /home ozzykp dbay to see the docking bay (lots of work to do there yet)


Screenshots

Ok... now the time you've all been waiting for...  pictures!!!

The overview:
(https://www.opticraft.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FMXXs5.png&hash=0cc3982cad909d27205f8ad82b6b6a01)

Some shots of my middle class residential condos:
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Exterior shots of the residential domes:
(click to show/hide)

The big dome (future commercial district):
(click to show/hide)

Trench:
(click to show/hide)

Passage ways:
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Docking bay:
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Upper Class Domes: (screenshots posted January 1, 2013)
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Elementary School:
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Cathedral:
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Metro stations:
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Video

A video of some of the middle class condos and my animations:

http://youtube.googleapis.com/v/vsblmiWqbPw

http://www.youtube.com/embed/vsblmiWqbPw

Watch for the clock, I have it set to advance 15 minutes every 15 minutes of game time.  So in our world of minecraft at least the clock is semi-accurate.  Also watch the keypad for the door, the display there has a subtle animation.  And, of course, at the end of the video is the crown jewel of this project so far, a newscast from Aquain News Channel.  :)

Residents

matty585
nhataley
hopper2468
b1uej0ker


Construction Progress

Middle Class Habitat:
Nine domes built (Will accommodate 108 Condos total)
Three domes furnished (36 Condos)
- Need to build bathrooms
- Need to add final decor (pending texture pack completion)
- Two more domes built, both empty (1-13-13)
- One more dome built, so far empty (1-15-13)
- Built a grocery store, laundromat & subway access under the three furnished domes (6-15-13)
- Fleshed out another dome (added walls & floors)  (6-18-13)

Upper Class Habitat:
Two domes built (Will accommodate 8 Houses total)
- Structure of one dome is finished (four homes, four stories each)
- Structure of second dome is almost finished (1-13-13)
- Top three stories of one dome are fully furnished (1-13-13)
- Both sub parking structures are finished, one still needs subs though (1-13-13)
- One bathroom more or less finished, shower works!  (1-13-13) Built three other showers, finishing the furnished dome (6-15-13)
- Built two more domes north of the docking bay (6-15-13)

Luxury homes
- Built walkways north of the docking bay for a series of luxury homes (6-15-13)
- Started construction on a luxury home for B1ueJ0ker.  Above 'ground' construction finished. (6-15-13)

Central Commercial Dome:
- Dome constructed
- Ravine under the dome is opened up, fence built around it
- Glass barrier built dividing the underwater and under dome portions of the ravine
- Interior of dome waiting for 1.5 to come out, I hope to use elevators in the dome, so want new redstone stuff to come out first (1-13-13)
- Restaurant design figured out in SP (1-13-13)

Submarine Docking Bay:
- Entrance from cliffside of the ravine finished
- Docking bay dome finished, docks built, docked subs built
- Repair bay (and passage way) built
- Pedestrian entrance to the docking bay built, needs furnishing and finalizing
- Additional subs traveling to and from docking bay need to be built

Rail Network:
- Rail line connecting the Docking Bay to the Residential area finished (Cut off by a sub docking bay, will need to be rerouted 1-13-13) (successfully rerouted 6-15-13)
- Rail line connecting the Docking Bay to the Central Commercial dome finished
- Finished station under Upper Class domes (6-15-13)
- Connected rail from docking bay to upper class domes, and from upper class domes to middle class domes (6-15-13)
- Finished station under middle class domes (6-15-13)

School:
- Started building walkway to the school (1-13-13)
- Dome finished  (1-15-13)
- Top level playground completed (1-16-13)
- First floor classrooms, principal's office, and bathrooms completed  (1-17-13)
- Finished second floor classrooms.  (1-21-13)

Church:
- Started building walkway to the church (1-13-13)
- Outer dome built (2-15-13)
- Pews, altar, choir, lighting finished in nave & transept (2-15-13)
- Aisles with chapels built on sides (2-15-13)
- Church basement mostly finished, bathrooms, reception hall, and some offices finished (2-15-13)


To Do List

- Hospital
- Power Plant
- Additional Middle Class Housing
- Additional Upper Class Housing
- Mansions for the Wealthy
- Lower Class Housing
- Schools
- Library
- Church(es)
- Police Station
- Bank
- Courts
- Government Buildings
- Aquain News Channel studio
- Shops, restaurants, bars in Commercial Dome
- Offices in Commercial Dome
- Large Docking Bays to accommodate 'passenger liner' subs
- Large Docking Bays to accommodate cargo subs
- Factories/Industrial Area
- Water Treatment Plant
- Recycling Plant/Garbage Disposal thingy
- Recreation Areas
--- Public Pool/Sauna
--- Park
--- Baseball Field for the Aquain Krakens
- Grocery Stores
- Movie Theater
- Seaweed/Kelp
- Giant Squid
- Whale(s)
- Various subs coming and going through surrounding ocean
- Ship wreck
- Connect everything with Rail
- Elevators
- Finish Texture Pack
- Think of better names for everything
Title: Re: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [Work in Progress]
Post by: Coolcrab88 on December 20, 2012, 08:46:14 pm
Awesome! I can't wait to see it!
Title: Re: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [Work in Progress]
Post by: FNVcourierjon(SigilStone) on December 20, 2012, 08:55:20 pm
This is outstanding! Great work and good luck! :D
Title: Re: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [Work in Progress]
Post by: Nhataley on December 20, 2012, 11:45:36 pm
Fantastic work! Can't wait to see the finished project! ;)
Title: Re: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [Work in Progress]
Post by: OzzyKP on December 23, 2012, 06:24:23 am
I just finished the interiors in all the condos of one of my middle class domes!  12 apartments done, 60 to go!!

(not counting the the 8 homes in the 2 upper class domes, and any other future residential domes I build)
Title: Re: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [Work in Progress]
Post by: OzzyKP on December 26, 2012, 08:40:13 pm
36 apartments finished, 36 to go! 
Title: Re: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [Work in Progress]
Post by: Blondie100 on December 27, 2012, 06:08:42 am
Nice Job!  :D Can't wait to see the final product!
Title: Re: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [Work in Progress]
Post by: hennydeez on December 27, 2012, 09:00:06 am
now that's a challenge to complete, good job!
Title: Re: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [Work in Progress]
Post by: Spyow on December 27, 2012, 10:32:14 am
This is great, I'm actually thinking about purchasing a house, I' 'll have to see it in-game though
Title: Re: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [Work in Progress]
Post by: FNVcourierjon(SigilStone) on December 27, 2012, 04:20:56 pm
Wow great progress :)
Title: Re: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [Work in Progress]
Post by: SalsaInABowl on December 27, 2012, 11:16:03 pm
It seems like it took more time to create the forum page than to build the city XD
Title: Re: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [Work in Progress]
Post by: OzzyKP on December 28, 2012, 03:57:24 am
It seems like it took more time to create the forum page than to build the city XD

Hah, you should see how long this texture pack is taking.  The newscast took well over a day of solid work by itself, and I'm not sure anyone has actually watched my YouTube video all the way to the end (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CDYQtwIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DvsblmiWqbPw&ei=uxjdUNf_Gsn_qwH9sIDQCA&usg=AFQjCNEdIqPYRwY_u0MUb0tzZNuCg9J2ng&sig2=W661Kif2H_D0GTzwzzcPbw&bvm=bv.1355534169,d.aWM) to see it.

I've spent all day today working on a new floor texture ctm.  Probably won't finish it till the weekend (so many damn twists and turns in ctm, ugh), but it is coming along fantastically.  Here is a preview of the floor texture:

(https://www.opticraft.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F8ApAl.jpg%3F1&hash=a79929df5186b6efbd702d4c9ff255b6)

I started out just wanting to make a nice art deco wooden floor for my upper class homes, but it turned out way fancier and awesomer than I anticipated, so this will be a great floor for train stations and other public spaces. 
Title: Re: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [Work in Progress]
Post by: Spyow on December 28, 2012, 11:35:18 am
Will you post a screening of one of the upper class and lower class rooms?
Title: Re: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [Work in Progress]
Post by: TheWholeLoaf on December 28, 2012, 12:06:48 pm
Im inpressed, I tried this but kinda gave up :P.

nice work
Title: Re: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [Work in Progress]
Post by: OzzyKP on December 29, 2012, 03:51:46 am
Will you post a screening of one of the upper class and lower class rooms?

I haven't finished the upper class or lower class places yet.  Just middle class are finished so far (and I posted pictures of that already). 
Title: Re: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [Work in Progress]
Post by: iGenerator on December 29, 2012, 06:24:24 am
You must have drowned many times in the initial building
Title: Re: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [Work in Progress]
Post by: Spyow on December 29, 2012, 11:35:30 am
Not really... Respiration, and once you place blocks above you, it creates an air pocket so you can breathe...
Title: Re: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [Work in Progress]
Post by: OzzyKP on December 29, 2012, 04:02:44 pm
You must have drowned many times in the initial building

A few times, but then I discovered respiration helmets and the /back command.  Now I'm an underwater building pro. :)
Title: Re: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [Work in Progress]
Post by: Spyow on December 29, 2012, 04:11:25 pm
You must have drowned many times in the initial building

A few times, but then I discovered respiration helmets and the /back command.  Now I'm an underwater building pro. :)
Lol, can you get some screenies of the homes then :)
Title: Re: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [Work in Progress]
Post by: OzzyKP on December 29, 2012, 07:06:28 pm
You must have drowned many times in the initial building

A few times, but then I discovered respiration helmets and the /back command.  Now I'm an underwater building pro. :)
Lol, can you get some screenies of the homes then :)

I posted pictures (and video) of the middle class homes.  Those are the only ones finished.
Title: Re: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [Work in Progress]
Post by: OzzyKP on December 30, 2012, 01:25:18 am
I'm really not sure about pricing and such, but right now I'm thinking about this for prices:

Luxury home (not started yet): $80,000
Upper class home (not finished yet): $20,000
Middle class home (mostly finished): $1,000
Lower class home (not started yet ): $500

Blondie100 & Spy have both expressed interest in buying upper class homes. 

Also, what do people think about the name of the city?  I'm calling it Aquain so far, but I'm open to other suggestions.
Title: Re: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [Work in Progress]
Post by: jcgaming on December 30, 2012, 08:22:03 am
awsome build how do you get to it though???
Title: Re: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [Work in Progress]
Post by: OzzyKP on December 30, 2012, 08:27:08 am
awsome build how do you get to it though???

You don't. :)

Not yet at least. 
Title: Re: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [Work in Progress]
Post by: ninjafail888 on December 31, 2012, 03:32:24 am
i am thinking about buying one of the luxury homes. depending on how good they look lol. ;D CANT WAIT
Title: Re: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [Work in Progress]
Post by: OzzyKP on January 01, 2013, 05:08:24 am
New pictures everyone!!

I've been making a lot of progress on the upper class domes.  I've got the structure finished on one and I just finished one of the sub garages.  I still need to finish the structure of the other dome and furnish both of them, but I'm making significant progress!  Check it out:

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [Work in Progress]
Post by: iGenerator on January 01, 2013, 07:16:30 am
Are all those textures custom? If so I would love to download them
Title: Re: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [Work in Progress]
Post by: OzzyKP on January 01, 2013, 08:29:49 am
Not all of them.  I'm working on my texture pack bit by bit.  The wood floor you see there is custom.  Just finished that this morning.  It is constantly evolving, but I'll make a download available at some point.
Title: Re: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [Work in Progress]
Post by: iGenerator on January 01, 2013, 08:32:47 am
Sweet, I am eager to see the final product of both of your projects.
Title: Re: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [Work in Progress]
Post by: OzzyKP on January 01, 2013, 08:42:40 am
Awesome. :)

And I just realized I forgot to include the screenshot of the wood floor.  I just added that.
Title: Re: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [Work in Progress]
Post by: FNVcourierjon(SigilStone) on January 01, 2013, 03:49:32 pm
If only the subs actually worked, that would be epic!  Or do they....
Title: Re: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [Work in Progress]
Post by: OzzyKP on January 02, 2013, 06:01:28 pm
I just put in my city protection application!!

http://www.opticraft.net/index.php/topic,16084.0.html
Title: Re: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [Work in Progress]
Post by: SalsaInABowl on January 09, 2013, 01:53:02 am
It has been accepted, just throwing that out there,
Title: Re: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [Work in Progress]
Post by: OzzyKP on January 09, 2013, 01:56:33 am
I know.  :)  Giving tours now. 
Title: Re: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [Work in Progress]
Post by: OzzyKP on January 09, 2013, 02:06:32 am
But yea, protected!!! Yay!!!

So since I have protection now, I'm opening up a few homes for public viewing.  :)

Come to /home ozzykp upper to see my progress with my upper class homes (still working on them)

Come to /home ozzykp view to see a few of the city from the surface

Come to /home ozzykp dbay to see the docking bay (lots of work to do there yet)
Title: Re: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [Work in Progress]
Post by: OzzyKP on January 12, 2013, 09:52:42 pm

Here is a very rough animated gif version of my Aquain News animation.  If you watch the video to the end (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsblmiWqbPw&feature=player_embedded) (which I suspect very few people have done) you will see this animation in action (the in-game version looks better than this animated gif, for some reason the news scroll switches direction in the gif version, I have no idea why), but for all you people too lazy to watch the video, here is a rough gif version:

(https://www.opticraft.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Foneandfour.org%2Fimages%2FAquainNews.gif&hash=12a431d8c12f51d220379153d737069a)
Title: Re: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [Work in Progress]
Post by: kagarium on January 12, 2013, 10:29:27 pm
If only the subs actually worked, that would be epic!  Or do they....
They dont...

But if they did that would give this town a very awesome detail
Title: Re: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [Work in Progress]
Post by: proush600563 on January 13, 2013, 04:53:17 am
Welcome to the GN ozzykp! This town is absolutely amazing! It has already been recommended by more than one person for silver and gold status.
I'm starting you with a change to get a silver promotion since the city was just accepted
However if you remain active you should get gold no problem
I absolutely love the city and the detail, plus... It's huge! I nearly got lost in it earlier, good job! By far one of the best cities I've seen in a long time.
Title: Re: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [Work in Progress]
Post by: OzzyKP on January 13, 2013, 06:53:56 am
Thank you so much!!  I'm very glad to have my work appreciated!  It does mean a lot that people like the place.  :)  Thank you for the recommendation for silver too!  I stopped by your city and looked around today too, cool stuff.  Thanks for the office!  I'll be sure to decorate it when I get the chance.  :)

Do you have any advice on finding competent people to help with the city?  I've made some tremendous progress on my own so far, but with what I want to do there is no way I can do it all by myself. 
Title: Re: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [Work in Progress]
Post by: Sugna on January 13, 2013, 01:44:49 pm
Looks great!
Title: Re: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [Work in Progress]
Post by: proush600563 on January 13, 2013, 04:55:22 pm
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Your best bet would be to ask around the council members for help when they are in-game, it's hard to get everybody together when they aren't busy but when we do it usually turns out really good. Plus if you've looked around the cities everyone has a bit of different taste so collaborations are cool.

Also some members have had other people help them with their stuff, if you ask around you may find some good builders.

Lastly be sure to vote on Nhataley's city even though you can't vote on your own. I hope all of that helps let me know if you have any question
Title: Re: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [Work in Progress]
Post by: OzzyKP on January 14, 2013, 06:38:18 pm
Well, other council members have their own projects to work on.  I'm looking for long term partners and builders who can really help expand Aquain.  There is no way I can realize my ambitious vision for it on my own.
Title: Re: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [Work in Progress]
Post by: ninjafail888 on January 14, 2013, 08:04:38 pm
Well, other council members have their own projects to work on.  I'm looking for long term partners and builders who can really help expand Aquain.  There is no way I can realize my ambitious vision for it on my own.


I could help you. and when do you think you will be done with supreme homes? ;D
Title: Re: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [Work in Progress]
Post by: OzzyKP on January 15, 2013, 12:01:59 am
Sorry, the luxury level homes are pretty low priority at this point, so it'll be a while.
Title: Re: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [Work in Progress]
Post by: proush600563 on January 15, 2013, 02:11:55 am
well if your just looking for a private work crew i would say post it on here, ussually a couple dedicated people who actually will work will apply on the forum. Or just simply ask in-game. The only issue is not everyone has the best/same design/build skills so you will probably have to give instructions.
Title: Re: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [Work in Progress]
Post by: Mr_Mr_Mr on January 15, 2013, 11:05:17 pm
(click to show/hide)
(https://www.opticraft.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fgc3xH.gif&hash=b731e8861d0638329e9fedc5b7ad48c2)

Good luck with the city, I can't wait to see it finished.
Title: Re: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [Work in Progress]
Post by: OzzyKP on January 16, 2013, 05:24:46 am
Wow that is annoying.


But, big news!!  I've sold my first house!!  In addition to the house that Blondie100 has reserved for her (the first one set aside for anyone), Matty585 bought one of my upper class homes!  I've set him up with permissions for everything, including his very own sub!  Welcome Matty585!!!
Title: Re: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [Work in Progress]
Post by: proush600563 on January 16, 2013, 05:59:30 am
Awesome keep it up Ozzy
Congrats on silver in the GN
This city still blows my mind, I keep going to it just to look around.
Title: Re: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [Work in Progress]
Post by: OzzyKP on January 16, 2013, 06:09:12 am
Well I'm still expanding!  So hopefully I'll keep giving you new things to look at! :)
Title: Re: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [Work in Progress]
Post by: OzzyKP on January 18, 2013, 08:31:54 am
I'm making serious progress with my first elementary school, I should have some pics up tomorrow.  But for now, I'll leave you with this gem of the upper class habitat. 

I assume I'm not the only one for whom chunks load unevenly after teleporting resulting in a split second where you can see through the world.  It only lasts an instant, but if you are quick with the screen shot button you can capture some cool stuff.  Especially useful for my city which is all underground so hard to get good overview shots.  Here is a side view of an upper class dome and its sub parking garage:

(https://www.opticraft.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FqrWdE.jpg%3F2&hash=1ef06c16a33aba216476bfcaab70840c)
Title: Re: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [Work in Progress]
Post by: FNVcourierjon(SigilStone) on January 18, 2013, 10:11:14 pm
Hmmm...I think it's about time to change the title of this topic to Aquain :)
Well only if you want.
Title: Re: Aquain: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [WIP]
Post by: OzzyKP on January 19, 2013, 05:05:17 am
Yea, I suppose the name is going to stick.  Changed!
Title: Re: Aquain: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [WIP]
Post by: proush600563 on January 19, 2013, 05:14:34 am
What sheep?
Title: Re: Aquain: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [WIP]
Post by: OzzyKP on January 19, 2013, 05:18:03 am
Sshh, that's my secret private lair.   :-X
Title: Re: Aquain: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [WIP]
Post by: proush600563 on January 19, 2013, 05:24:27 am
Flexed it :3
Title: Re: Aquain: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [WIP]
Post by: OzzyKP on January 19, 2013, 05:26:44 am
Perfect!  ;)
Title: Re: Aquain: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [WIP]
Post by: Pew1998 on January 19, 2013, 07:20:30 pm
Sometime, when we are both online, I would like to see the city.  It looks fantastic from the photos.  ;)
Title: Re: Aquain: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [WIP]
Post by: OzzyKP on January 21, 2013, 10:13:18 pm
While I might end up adding another floor full of classrooms, for now at least my school is finished.  Pics!

(click to show/hide)

In all the school consists of a playground, six classrooms, boys & girls restrooms, a principal's office, and two other offices for staff.  Two floors underneath the playground.  At the moment the school accommodates 60 students, if/when I build another floor it'll expand to 100 students.
Title: Re: Aquain: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [WIP]
Post by: hammysandwhich on January 21, 2013, 10:18:48 pm
Nice, that's extremely good job ozzy!!
Title: Re: Aquain: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [WIP]
Post by: FNVcourierjon(SigilStone) on January 22, 2013, 12:43:51 pm
How much are upper class homes?  :)
Title: Re: Aquain: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [WIP]
Post by: OzzyKP on January 22, 2013, 04:23:40 pm
20k
Title: Re: Aquain: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [WIP]
Post by: FNVcourierjon(SigilStone) on January 22, 2013, 06:07:31 pm
20k
I have been spending a lot of money recently, so I'm not sure.
Title: Re: Aquain: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [WIP]
Post by: OzzyKP on January 22, 2013, 11:22:38 pm
No worries, let me know if you change your mind.  There are also middle class homes available.  I'll lower the price on those to $1,000.

And while it won't be for sale, of course, I'm making a lot of progress on my cathedral.
Title: Re: Aquain: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [WIP]
Post by: Nhataley on January 23, 2013, 03:00:33 am
Very Nice so far =)

I'm looking foward for more!
Title: Re: Aquain: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [WIP]
Post by: OzzyKP on January 23, 2013, 05:40:49 am
Welcome to Aquain Nhataley!!!!  Thanks for buying a house!
Title: Re: Aquain: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [WIP]
Post by: OzzyKP on January 24, 2013, 07:17:10 pm
I made a quick video charting the growth of the city so far:


http://youtube.googleapis.com/v/Qau-M8n2_ik


http://youtu.be/Qau-M8n2_ik


Title: Re: Aquain: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [WIP]
Post by: ChocolateChloe17 on January 24, 2013, 07:20:12 pm
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Title: Re: Aquain: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [WIP]
Post by: 2468avc on January 24, 2013, 09:43:27 pm
Where can i see the city?
Title: Re: Aquain: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [WIP]
Post by: OzzyKP on January 25, 2013, 12:29:45 am
Go to any of these to see various parts of the city:

/home ozzykp upper
/home ozzykp mid
/home ozzykp dbay
/home ozzykp view
Title: Re: Aquain: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [WIP]
Post by: Nhataley on January 25, 2013, 04:50:06 am
Ozzy, If I can help in anyway let me know =)
Title: Re: Aquain: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [WIP]
Post by: OzzyKP on January 25, 2013, 08:48:16 pm
Oh there are a million ways to help.  I'd love to find a full partner to work on the city with, but you've got your own place of course.  Short of that, I need lots of space cleared out and interiors of domes constructed especially.
Title: Re: Aquain: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [WIP]
Post by: OzzyKP on January 31, 2013, 03:13:25 am
I've been a bit distracted lately so haven't been able to finish my cathedral yet, but I've made a huge amount of progress.  To tide y'all over here is a quick look at the main nave of the cathedral (and a dapper looking parishioner who recently received a successful exorcism in this very church).  There have been a few additions and a few changes since this shot was taken (last week) and there is still plenty left to do, but here's a taste.  Take note of the new texture I made for the nether brick fence supporting the chandeliers:

(https://www.opticraft.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FRuRJcWO.jpg%3F1&hash=6422f5ff853f3f3d74cd4f88e57bd7f5)
Title: Re: Aquain: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [WIP]
Post by: proush600563 on January 31, 2013, 08:03:36 pm
loks good ozzy
Title: Re: Aquain: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [WIP]
Post by: OzzyKP on February 06, 2013, 02:54:46 pm
I'm in Michigan all this week and I don't have my computer with me, so I won't be around for a couple days.  Then in Monday I'm starting a new job so I'll have less time to work on the city then I used to.  So I'd really love to find a partner to work with me on further city expansion.
Title: Re: Aquain: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [WIP]
Post by: OzzyKP on February 14, 2013, 03:28:20 am
Back!  (ish)  Finished my third day at the new job, I'm loving it so far!  But yea, my time is going to be very limited here on out unfortunately.  But maybe I'll get some stuff done this weekend.

I popped on tonight, but I didn't really build much.  I did however get some new screen shots!  Here are some shots of the main sanctuary of my cathedral.  I'm following standard cathedral architectural conventions, so if the terms I'm using to describe stuff confuse you, check this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Architecture_of_cathedrals_and_great_churches#Internal_features).  The one thing that I screwed up on is that cathedrals typically face east, and this one faces south.  I planned out the location and started building it before I realized the east thing.  But... I guess nothing's perfect, heh.

This is a shot of the nave, looking towards the altar.  Take note of the awesome looking texture for the carpet I created, I'm absolutely in love with this one.  Red wool has never looked so good:
(https://www.opticraft.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FRxAIlZE.jpg%3F1&hash=08169311d77aa814d6a0afe546b096a8)

A closer look at the altar.  The cathedral is built in a traditional cross shaped design with seating on both sides of the transept and the high altar & choir stalls in the "choir" (the part of the nave that extends beyond the crossing, i.e. the top of the cross).  The high altar, appropriately, is all gold.  The cross is wood (of course).  The altar currently is wood, but when the new marble-type blocks come out I'll put that in instead:
(https://www.opticraft.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F8TDh5TU.jpg%3F1&hash=12dc3259b6349b05daab6e1d8fca8637)

Here's a look at the ceiling/dome.  The chandelier supports are netherbrick fence, but I made a new texture for them so they look like metal pipes. 
(https://www.opticraft.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FdLKdfPJ.jpg%3F1&hash=dcd1c9717c4ab6a683e41e1ed3cca87e)

On either side of the nave are the aisles.  B1ueJ0ker helped me make some awesome archways that separate the aisles from the nave.  His ideas were big improvements over what I was going to do.  There are four chapels that shoot off from the aisles:
(https://www.opticraft.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FI0y8cIB.jpg%3F1&hash=6489e43ced0df74a76dc9ec5d11032c0)

Here is a close up of one of the chapels:
(https://www.opticraft.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FC91ltBc.jpg%3F1&hash=e1fc423d106eac1e78c916da0bf71937)

Title: Re: Aquain: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [WIP]
Post by: proush600563 on February 14, 2013, 04:26:15 am
Looking great ozzy I will defiantly try to come see this in person!

Also glad your liking your job! Don't worry bout time ya know, Job/school comes before minecraft lol

Keep it up though! :)
Title: Re: Aquain: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [WIP]
Post by: OzzyKP on February 14, 2013, 11:40:12 am
I'm trying to design a new texture for the stone bricks too.  Heh, like two or three weeks ago I had some time to kill so I actually walked around DC taking pictures of interesting looking walls that could potentially be turned into textures. 

....I'm such a dork.
Title: Re: Aquain: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [WIP]
Post by: beta centari on February 26, 2013, 02:03:59 am
Hey Ozzy i want to buy an upper class home in Aquain whats the price also you need a resident application
Title: Re: Aquain: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [WIP]
Post by: kagarium on February 26, 2013, 03:24:12 am
I'm trying to design a new texture for the stone bricks too.  Heh, like two or three weeks ago I had some time to kill so I actually walked around DC taking pictures of interesting looking walls that could potentially be turned into textures. 

....I'm such a dork.
you have no idea what things ill do .-.
Title: Re: Aquain: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [WIP]
Post by: OzzyKP on March 02, 2013, 03:17:35 am
Thanks for the interest Beta!  I'm asking around $20k for the upper class homes.  But things have been pretty crazy for me lately, so I'm not sure when I'll be online next.  Not only has my new job been keeping me busy, but I had a fire at my house on Wednesday, so at the moment I'm homeless... 

So all my time not spent working (big conference this weekend too!) is being spent looking for apartments. 
Title: Re: Aquain: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [WIP]
Post by: proush600563 on March 02, 2013, 06:09:53 am
That sucks man :( sorry to hear that, hope everything goes ok.
Title: Re: Aquain: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [WIP]
Post by: beta centari on March 03, 2013, 09:33:21 pm
Thanks for the interest Beta!  I'm asking around $20k for the upper class homes.  But things have been pretty crazy for me lately, so I'm not sure when I'll be online next.  Not only has my new job been keeping me busy, but I had a fire at my house on Wednesday, so at the moment I'm homeless... 

So all my time not spent working (big conference this weekend too!) is being spent looking for apartments. 








ok first of all i'm very sorry for what happened to you and secondly it might take me a few weeks to raise that much money for the home
Title: Re: Aquain: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [WIP]
Post by: OzzyKP on April 10, 2013, 11:41:52 am
An update!  I'm building a mansion under the sea!
Title: Re: Aquain: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [WIP]
Post by: Caanite. on April 11, 2013, 04:01:36 am
I'm really hoping this will pull through
Good luck  ;)
Title: Re: Aquain: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [WIP]
Post by: FNVcourierjon(SigilStone) on April 11, 2013, 11:45:37 am
Good luck with this :)
Title: Re: Aquain: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [WIP]
Post by: hammysandwhich on April 11, 2013, 12:25:12 pm
I'm not sure if you've already done this, but you should make a broken/crashed ship? Like an underwater one, or one which was shipwrecked and ran aground.
Title: Re: Aquain: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [WIP]
Post by: FNVcourierjon(SigilStone) on April 11, 2013, 05:02:25 pm
I'm not sure if you've already done this, but you should make a broken/crashed ship? Like an underwater one, or one which was shipwrecked and ran aground.
Great idea, you should :)
Title: Re: Aquain: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [WIP]
Post by: OzzyKP on April 11, 2013, 11:35:55 pm
I'm not sure if you've already done this, but you should make a broken/crashed ship? Like an underwater one, or one which was shipwrecked and ran aground.

That's the plan!  But as you can see from my to-do list, there is quite a lot yet to do:


To Do List

- Hospital
- Power Plant
- Additional Middle Class Housing
- Additional Upper Class Housing
- Mansions for the Wealthy
- Lower Class Housing
- Schools
- Library
- Church(es)
- Police Station
- Bank
- Courts
- Government Buildings
- Aquain News Channel studio
- Shops, restaurants, bars in Commercial Dome
- Offices in Commercial Dome
- Large Docking Bays to accommodate 'passenger liner' subs
- Large Docking Bays to accommodate cargo subs
- Factories/Industrial Area
- Water Treatment Plant
- Recycling Plant/Garbage Disposal thingy
- Recreation Areas
--- Public Pool/Sauna
--- Park
--- Baseball Field for the Aquain Krakens
- Grocery Stores
- Movie Theater
- Seaweed/Kelp
- Giant Squid
- Whale(s)
- Various subs coming and going through surrounding ocean
- Ship wreck
- Connect everything with Rail
- Elevators
- Finish Texture Pack
- Think of better names for everything

Title: Re: Aquain: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [WIP]
Post by: OzzyKP on April 13, 2013, 12:52:12 pm
I'm proud to announce Aquain's newest resident!  Welcome hopper2468!!!!!  Welcome to Aquain's upper class!
Title: Re: Aquain: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [WIP]
Post by: proush600563 on April 14, 2013, 08:56:57 pm
looking good Ozzy, glad to see you back :)
Title: Re: Aquain: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [WIP]
Post by: B1ueJ0ker on April 15, 2013, 12:06:58 am
Glad to see your back to building my mansion. I can't wait to see the finished project. The new update for your texture pack is working great love it!
Title: Re: Aquain: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [WIP]
Post by: Booorad on April 15, 2013, 06:11:24 pm
I love it. I would totally suggest to everybody to buy a home here, it is the best underwater build I have ever seen, and ranks in the top 10 of best builds i have ever seen, keep up the good work Ozzy!
Title: Re: Aquain: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [WIP]
Post by: Wyboth on April 15, 2013, 11:21:19 pm
Ozzy, I know I haven't done it in a while, but can I still shear your sheep for stone bricks? I might do it a lot and then none the next week, but my schedule is unpredictable.
Title: Re: Aquain: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [WIP]
Post by: OzzyKP on April 15, 2013, 11:43:17 pm
Ozzy, I know I haven't done it in a while, but can I still shear your sheep for stone bricks? I might do it a lot and then none the next week, but my schedule is unpredictable.

My schedule is unpredictable as well.  But definitely keep at it.  Whenever I log in I'll check the chest.  Be warned though, those cows somehow keep getting out of their pens. 
Title: Re: Aquain: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [WIP]
Post by: Wyboth on April 16, 2013, 05:48:22 pm
Ozzy, I know I haven't done it in a while, but can I still shear your sheep for stone bricks? I might do it a lot and then none the next week, but my schedule is unpredictable.

My schedule is unpredictable as well.  But definitely keep at it.  Whenever I log in I'll check the chest.  Be warned though, those cows somehow keep getting out of their pens. 
Alright, good. I'll probably be on next on Thursday.
Title: Re: Aquain: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [WIP]
Post by: OzzyKP on May 28, 2013, 05:01:54 pm
Ozzy, I know I haven't done it in a while, but can I still shear your sheep for stone bricks? I might do it a lot and then none the next week, but my schedule is unpredictable.

My schedule is unpredictable as well.  But definitely keep at it.  Whenever I log in I'll check the chest.  Be warned though, those cows somehow keep getting out of their pens. 
Alright, good. I'll probably be on next on Thursday.

Hopefully I'll be back on again this week.  I just moved into a new place and don't have Internet hooked up yet.  I'll get caught up on your wool payments then.  Sorry for the delay!
Title: Re: Aquain: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [WIP]
Post by: andersad on May 28, 2013, 07:30:19 pm
       I am sure you are busy, but do you think you could teach me how to make a dome for my town Atlantis?
Title: Re: Aquain: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [WIP]
Post by: XzTriggerHappyzX on May 28, 2013, 11:27:52 pm
wow looks great!!! can't wait to see it finished! :)
Title: Re: Aquain: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [WIP]
Post by: OzzyKP on June 10, 2013, 02:23:09 am
Well, my girlfriend is now on her way to Africa and I *finally* have Internet at my new place.  Barring any additional unforeseen crisis,  I should finally start making more progress on this city.  :)
Title: Re: Aquain: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [WIP]
Post by: OzzyKP on June 15, 2013, 07:01:36 pm
As promised, I present to you some progress!!!  So, all my middle-class domes are in three dome clusters connected to a central hub.  Two stories under ground (under water) where the three domes meet I've created a little strip mall (type thing).  So far I've put in a small Grocery store & Laundromat.  I'll put in an entrance to the subway and some other business (any ideas?) later. 

I made some more additions to my texture pack too for the grocery store & laundromat.  Hopper is around to play tourguide:

(https://www.opticraft.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FRUA04nW.jpg%3F1&hash=e7b07efbbb3949cc04677cfb877cf91d)

(https://www.opticraft.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FlrwGU5Y.jpg%3F1&hash=9da62dc6490d7a1b745e25c1bf8d9323)

(https://www.opticraft.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F0h1W05l.jpg%3F1&hash=a902be21d3ed1d739b6662c4fad27730)

(https://www.opticraft.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FNrUS2HX.png%3F1&hash=46c2deb49546230dbfad777d5a00907c)


Title: Re: Aquain: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [WIP]
Post by: ChocolateChloe17 on June 15, 2013, 07:08:50 pm
It looks so,real :P
Title: Re: Aquain: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [WIP]
Post by: FNVcourierjon(SigilStone) on June 15, 2013, 07:16:06 pm
Impressive
Title: Re: Aquain: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [WIP]
Post by: Nhataley on June 15, 2013, 07:28:21 pm
Great! =)
Title: Re: Aquain: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [WIP]
Post by: OzzyKP on June 16, 2013, 01:26:55 am
Another update!  I put some work into the Aquain transit system today.  I now have a subway line that runs from the docking bay to a station under the upper class domes, and a line that runs from the upper class dome station to a station built under the finished pod of middle class domes (right under the grocery store & laundromat).  But I've got space to add additional lines.  Eventually, once the system is further along, I'll make a subway map.  I'll put it in the stations as a painting. 

But for now, here is a look at my new upper class dome subway station:

(https://www.opticraft.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FkGzo7By.jpg%3F2&hash=7a481c1bbad1e4e6f6641e18caa6ff1f)

(https://www.opticraft.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FHQVZOmG.jpg%3F2&hash=2b5a4f00049df6eb68f0c25d5bc9c5b6)

(https://www.opticraft.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FhGQYxAP.jpg%3F2&hash=72e7569bcfa9ce9af5a7f089baeb48bc)

(https://www.opticraft.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FznpfRYh.jpg%3F2&hash=6979839a870b2b6c5d742805132ea167)

And the more modest station under the middle class domes:

(https://www.opticraft.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fg3Jhanf.jpg%3F2&hash=65c63b23ba39bb26a4df41f415fc66b6)
Title: Re: Aquain: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [WIP]
Post by: FNVcourierjon(SigilStone) on June 16, 2013, 02:44:52 pm
Great progress :)
Title: Re: Aquain: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [WIP]
Post by: ChocolateChloe17 on June 16, 2013, 04:48:54 pm
Great progress :)

Yep I really want to see this ingame
Title: Re: Aquain: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [WIP]
Post by: PokeyzRule on June 17, 2013, 04:21:37 am
I'm so jealous D:
TBH I was about to build one of these, but seeing on how hard you worked on it, I decided to change the style slightly from the dome :) more like a flat roof now... xD looks great
esp with the texture pack
Title: Re: Aquain: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [WIP]
Post by: OzzyKP on June 17, 2013, 01:16:23 pm
Don't be jealous! Join me in further expanding Aquain.
Title: Re: Aquain: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [WIP]
Post by: andersad on June 18, 2013, 01:33:07 am
       Ozzy I love the movement of this city and how amazing it is so far. I would love to help out with building ingame.
Title: Re: Aquain: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [WIP]
Post by: OzzyKP on June 18, 2013, 03:36:38 pm
I'd love the help!  Hit me up in game.

I just put up the walls and floors in another middle class done today.  Just needs to be furnished.
Title: Re: Aquain: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [WIP]
Post by: OzzyKP on June 18, 2013, 04:34:44 pm
Great progress :)

Yep I really want to see this ingame

Anyone who wants my texture pack, please PM me your e-mail address and I"ll send you the file.
Title: Re: Aquain: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [WIP]
Post by: OzzyKP on June 21, 2013, 12:58:00 am
Oh, nm, I don't need your e-mail address.  But PM me anyhow, I don't want to post it publicly yet. 
Title: Re: Aquain: Ozzy's City Beneath the Waves [WIP]
Post by: OzzyKP on June 23, 2013, 03:54:07 am
New thread here:
 http://www.opticraft.net/index.php/topic,17920.msg173052.html

Mods can lock this one.