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Discussion forum => Legacy => Archives => Suggestions => Topic started by: Mr_Mr_Mr on March 28, 2012, 09:43:49 pm
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I think it is time that Nick and Relkeb should only be admins on the SMP server. I think there should be admins that care more about the classic server to look after it. Don't get me wrong, Nick and Relkeb are doing a good job on SMP, but they are not showing that they are doing a whole lot for the classic server. As nick has said before, SMP and Classic are two separate servers, and having people be admin on two separate servers makes it harder to do their job for both of the servers. I am sure that they would rather like to be admins on the SMP server as it is developing and the classic server is basically done developing*. I personally would rather be an admin on a server that is developing because it would be fun to try and help develop the server, but, being admin on classic is what needs to be done a bit more right now. The classic server is being neglected and rejected at the time.
Ever since the addition of the SMP server, it has taken most of the attention from the classic server to the SMP server. Don't get me wrong again, I love playing on the SMP server as there is more to do on SMP than just build, but what is the classic server doing if it is just being neglected and isn't receiving any help? The only point I can see is for the people that like to be artistic and build, as that is what classic is about. There has been less promotions happening ever since the SMP server has been added, less people want to become op on classic now, they all want to be mod on SMP.
There isn't even any events going on in classic anymore because of the addition of SMP. With no events, there isn't anything fun going on, especially since there is no developing happening right now. There is no new exciting things to look forward to anymore because of the addition of SMP. With separate admins, this can be changed, but they have to be willing, they have to be willing to make events and try and if optical is willing, they can help him develop the server more and implement new plugins. There has been a topic that MrMonkey made about making a 'ticket system' (http://www.opticraft.net/index.php/topic,6557.0.html) and Matt88222 went out of his way to make the plugin for optical, but it has never been added, that is how bad classic is being ignored. In my honest opinion, there should be separate admins for classic and SMP
*Less is being done, there are less plugins being implemented in a certain amount of time.
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wall of text!! MY EYES!!
But I do agree with you, nick says he checks on classic but i kindof doubt he does as much as he says he does. And classic is being ignored quite a bit.
And alot of opererators from classic are now spending all there time on smp, So having active admins on classic may bring its pop back!
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http://www.opticraft.net/index.php/topic,7191.30.html
This needs to be read first before anything is decided.
In the eyes of an admin, they are doing more work than we think.
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While I understand the concerns, I'm not sure what having a classic admin would do. Whenever I go on classic (which is often, dont listen to morgosin, his last login was 3 weeks ago) I end up maybe creating 1 or 2 new worlds then I just sit there talking to people. One problem is that a lot of our ops are inactive (mr's last login is hours shy of 2 weeks ago) So please state what exactly a classic admin would do.
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I agree with Mr that Classic needs more attention; however, I don't think separating admins is the way to go. Nick does spend time on Classic, I have seen him multiple times. The problem is, admins don't have the power to add plugins, only Optical does. Now I recognize Optical os busy, and had put a lot of work already into the server, so I think appointing a designated coder to develop the Opticraft Server software is what we need.
As for events, well yes I agree we need some. I suggested one to the admins a while back, but they declined it because they were busy getting SMP up to speed. Now that things are running more smoothly, perhaps we could get events started in Classic again.
Edit: Basically, all a Classic admin would do that we don't have already is organize events, but we don't need a separate admin for that.
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(mr's last login is hours shy of 2 weeks ago)
Please note that I was having a break and my hard drive was broken and I was unable to get on.
So please state what exactly a classic admin would do.
I have stated that events are a problem, not only that, they could make new operators and keep them inline so you only have to worry about the SMP mods. They would take weight off your shoulders so you don't have to worry about two servers. They could help implement plugins.
1. Now I recognize Optical os busy, and had put a lot of work already into the server, so I think appointing a designated coder to develop the Opticraft Server software is what we need.
2. Edit: Basically, all a Classic admin would do that we don't have already is organize events, but we don't need a separate admin for that.
1. That would be better, having someone that actually knows how to code instead of finding an admin that knows how to code and can be an admin at the same time. Perhaps there could be a plugin developer.
2. They could make new operators and keep them inline so you only have to worry about the SMP mods. They would take weight off your shoulders so you don't have to worry about two servers. They could help implement plugins.
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Nick watches over classic through IRC sometimes (I know because I try checking up classic through it everyday). So I'm pretty sure he's keeping an eye on classic and making sure everything runs smoothly.
I don't think a new set of admins is absolutely necessary but we do need to focus a little more effort on classic. Funny thing is that there are times of the day when we have like 7 operators on (happened a few days ago but there was barely any guests lol). I know a few operators are trying their absolute best to spend some time on classic, so classic isn't technically a "lost cause" yet (everyone seems to over-dramatize that classic is forgotten). Classic is not forgotten but operators are still necessary at certain times.
To be honest, there are times late at night when no moderators or trusteds (except me) are online on smp. The problem for both classic and smp is that we need more operators/mods with a specific time zone, so we can be able to moderate the servers at all times.
Also Mr, there are a lot of us that still want to go for classic operator (including me) so I don't understand where you got that from? Many of the builders are applying for Operator, but some are still not yet fit for the job, so they are rejected for now. I would apply myself and attempt to help out, but I still need to achieve builder (builder is like a lost cause to me lol). I personally love the classic server. It was the first minecraft server I ever came to and I have never forgotten about it. However, recently I lost interest in attempting to build because I struggle with building (call me lazy if you want but I honestly just can't build). I planned on building something this week since I'm on spring break so I'll try. Anyways, I'm going offtopic.
The point is, despite everyone's interest in SMP, all of us are doing our best to spend some time on classic and the admins, although overwhelmed with work, do not need to be seperated into seperate categories. Optical trusted Nick and Relkeb to be admins over everything, SMP and Classic. Who would he appoint to take their place in classic, if not them?
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Guys we DONT need another admin.
You lot might disagree with me but I feel that having another admin wont do much. I see where you are all coming for, classic is losing attention from many staff and its not really been looked after but its ok. The way its treated now could be improved but how come we can still get 200+ people online. Its because its a great server as it is.
But SMP had recently gone live again, and with the constant updates from mojang and bukkit new bugs appear every week. These bugs need to be sorted out as SMP is a different server, where people have paid to play minecraft and expect a server to be running the way it should. Also recently we had gone up in popularity on the SMP server meaning that the server is struggling to keep up. This means that Opti is spending most of his time trying to either improve the server to run better or to upgrade the server. This also means we need all our admins to help Opti to improve the server.
Because of this reasoning i feel that Classic can survive on its own right now, and some Ops (those thinking we need events and other competitions) should rise to the opportunity and show that they can run an event. This means that our two current admins should be focusing on the SMP server until that is good enough to not need as much "tender loving care" and can stand on its own two feet.
When all of this is added up, I see no reason a need admin is needed to be appointed, and I hope you can as well.
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http://www.opticraft.net/index.php/topic,8133.0.html
I don't think I need to say anything else, or do I?
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As far as I know, there hasnt been any major problems on classic since smp started that would require us to have new Admins.
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As far as I know, there hasnt been any major problems on classic since smp started that would require us to have new Admins.
In the server low times, there is sometimes no ops for hours. I agree with Mr here, we need to have at least 1 person dedicated to making classic work.
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I wouldn't mind if someone like Xeadin or Wratkie becomes an Admin for classic.
They are responsible and active. :)
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Well Nick checks on classic almost everyday so, I can't say he doesn't care about it.
But Relkeb's last login was 2 weeks 4 days ago....
Then Relkeb should stick to SMP
and let Nick handle Classic...
The more admins we have the more danger will occur just like McStorm if anyone understands me.
And about the ticket or /helpop
I have already made a suggestion about that before MrMonkey but no one cared....
And matt already have a helpop plugin and he gave it to me once I started my classic server
And also ThuGie wrote one (http://www.opticraft.net/index.php/topic,4358.msg37150.html#new)
But optical said "I don't see too much use for it on our server given the volume of guests we have. That said, if the admins would like it i'd be glad to code up a more advanced version if this one does not suit."
But no admin replied...
You can find my topic here
http://www.opticraft.net/index.php/topic,4345.0.html
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Well Nick checks on classic almost everyday so, I can't say he doesn't care about it.
But Relkeb's last login was 2 weeks 4 days ago....
Relkeb has some problems with logging in right now, hence the last login. Also Nick already stated that Morgosin and Mr also have Logins from couple of weeks, so surly nick is during his job by getting on when he can, but you have to remember that Admins have lives as well so they will go on both servers as much as they can, which right now is a good amount of time.
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Well Nick checks on classic almost everyday so, I can't say he doesn't care about it.
But Relkeb's last login was 2 weeks 4 days ago....
Relkeb has some problems with logging in right now, hence the last login. Also Nick already stated that Morgosin and Mr also have Logins from couple of weeks, so surly nick is during his job by getting on when he can, but you have to remember that Admins have lives as well so they will go on both servers as much as they can, which right now is a good amount of time.
Ik but I mean Relkeb logs in to SMP more than classic
And nick logs in classic almost everyday
Then again
Let nick handle classic and Relkeb handle SMP
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Well Nick checks on classic almost everyday so, I can't say he doesn't care about it.
But Relkeb's last login was 2 weeks 4 days ago....
Relkeb has some problems with logging in right now, hence the last login. Also Nick already stated that Morgosin and Mr also have Logins from couple of weeks, so surly nick is during his job by getting on when he can, but you have to remember that Admins have lives as well so they will go on both servers as much as they can, which right now is a good amount of time.
Ik but I mean Relkeb logs in to SMP more than classic
And nick logs in classic almost everyday
Then again
Let nick handle classic and Relkeb handle SMP
I still spend the majority of my time on smp.
We have 3 new OPs on classic so that should help ease the need for them.
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I agree with nick and xeadin. Even if nick and relkeb are on smp more than classic, they are always on the forums, ready to address any questions or concerns that you have which was proven by xeadin's last post in this topic. Mr, if you want more ops on the server, which i agrre with, you should talk to the builders and recommend some to apply. If there are more applications, currently only 2, then more people might be promoted.
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Ive been on classic a lot more lately, and I have seen Nick quite a bit. Just saying.
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We have 3 new OPs on classic so that should help ease the need for them.
First off, Who's the third? I only see two.
Second, Its like giving a bunch of little kids a playground, but not maintaining it. In a couple of months the playground starts to fall apart. Our "playground" needs maintenance.
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We have 3 new OPs on classic so that should help ease the need for them.
Second, Its like giving a bunch of little kids a playground, but not maintaining it. In a couple of months the playground starts to fall apart. Our "playground" needs maintenance.
Oh so you are saying that our current OP's are like kids and are not able to handle the server? All that I can do to help is create new worlds which I do. The rest is up to the OP's. Having another admin for classic would have no effect at all.
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We have 3 new OPs on classic so that should help ease the need for them.
Second, Its like giving a bunch of little kids a playground, but not maintaining it. In a couple of months the playground starts to fall apart. Our "playground" needs maintenance.
Oh so you are saying that our current OP's are like kids and are not able to handle the server? All that I can do to help is create new worlds which I do. The rest is up to the OP's. Having another admin for classic would have no effect at all.
I did not mean the ops were the kids in my analogy. No, the ops are the parents, but the parents cant fix the playground.
And you didnt answer my question on why you said three new ops, when there are only two.....
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I was under the impression kodak would apply at the time. And what exactly would another admin do?
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I am not agreeing with the people who say we need another admin. I am just merely saying we need the Classic Server to receive more "maintenance" from the admins.
Edit: Thinking about this again, I think we either need a new admin for classic, or Nick needs to become more active on the Classic server. The admins are supposed to be there to deal with server wide problems, and they cant deal with them if they dont know what is going on on the server. Either the admins need to read the suggestions section more, or a new admin needs to be choosen, an admin who will always be on the Classic server. Nick and Relkeb need to choose. Either they support SMP or they support both. While basic support has been given, not enough attention has been given to the Classic server. i.e. There is a post about /worlds all being broken, and it has been ignored for months. I am not saying the current admins aren't good admins, I'm just saying they arent doing enough to keep the server up to par of the other Classic servers. If we keep this up, our Classic server will be surpassed by servers who have admins who come on everyday. In my whole playing time, which is 5 weeks, I have seen Nick one once, Nick in IRC once, and Relkeb I have never seen(It is possible I did not notice them, or I was not on at the right time. That doesn't mean that my data is useless though). This is not acceptable if we are to remain the top Classic server. We need to treat our guests like what they are named, guests.
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Saying we need another admin for classic is getting redundant. You need to tell us why, and saying "it needs more attention" is not going to cut it. No one in here has given any reason why, they just keep going around in circles.
By the way, the /worlds thread was never answered because optical stopped developing the classic software.
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Saying we need another admin for classic is getting redundant. You need to tell us why, and saying "it needs more attention" is not going to cut it. No one in here has given any reason why, they just keep going around in circles.
Events.
Before you say "the ops can do that", recognize that we ops have several other responsibilities as well, primarily taking care of guests. That's our first priority. Secondly, if we want to create events for Classic, we have to get admin approval anyway.
You've already said that you have basically nothing to do on Classic, so it shouldn't be too hard for you to take charge and organize some events to keep things interesting. Maybe look at how the Classic server operates and see if it can be revised to improve things. See what people's happiness levels are and what they want. There are a lot of things you can do on Classic if you simply try.
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Sorry but we dont have the time to supervise an event, that is why we want the OPs to do it. I believe I oked your event idea a few days ago. But really, events is hardly a good enough reason for another admin.
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Well, will you let ops post in the event section of the Classic forums? I am opposed to separate admins but it would be nice if we ops could just post their instead of needing approval.
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I am no longer developing the classic software and I do not think I will ever get around to adding this in unfortunately.
What we need essentially is an admin who will continue to do what optical no longer has time for.
I suppose it doesn't actually have to be an admin, it could be a trusted op who is a capable coder. The op could code for things that are needed or requested for, then run them by optical for him to check over and add in.
Any other issues that have been mentioned here I think can be resolved by the admins we currently have perhaps paying a little more attention to the suggestions section of the classic server. However, paying attention to the suggestions section is all well and good until you look at the aforementioned quote from optical which effectively renders a large percentage of the suggestions section pointless/irrelevant to an admin.
This brings us back to the idea that we should have a designated coder to take over the coding duties that classic still requires.
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"We don't have the time...."
That's all the admins keep saying. If you don't have the time to do your job, then you and optical need to revise your thinking. Cause it seems to me that the time you don't have is spent doing things for smp that doesn't need to be done.
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"We don't have the time...."
That's all the admins keep saying. If you don't have the time to do your job, then you and optical need to revise your thinking. Cause it seems to me that the time you don't have is spent doing things for smp that doesn't need to be done.
KCB they are doing their "job" (remember they're volunteers), it's just that their "job" description doesn't really feature classic as much as it used to as times have moved on and so has the focus of opticraft. However, I do still feel it's sad that classic is going to be left as it is as there are some things which could be improved and there is still a vibrant community of players there.
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I had no idea the event boards were off limits I think I have posted in both (I know for sure SMP) without permission, sorry.
it should be allowed (If it isn't) so there are more user run events.
I completely disagree with a new Admin that could help on Classic. What the Admins do is make fresh worlds for member+. A new Admin would have to work SMP too, so the only thing being done is making another person to yell at about Classic.
There may be a solution to the problem but I'm sure the suggestion would be rejected.
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"We don't have the time...."
That's all the admins keep saying. If you don't have the time to do your job, then you and optical need to revise your thinking. Cause it seems to me that the time you don't have is spent doing things for smp that doesn't need to be done.
We dont have time because it is spent on smp and real life stuff. We have moved on to smp so that is the priority.
And wratkie, I am constantly making news worlds for classic.
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KCB38 can you please stop trying to support a dying idea. We dont need another admin we are doing fine right now. Nick does the best he can to juggle Classic, SMP and his own life, the same goes for Relkeb.
Currently I see no player who would be able to fit the job role of admin and it isn't a problem having two. Also if you want another admin why not why till you are an operator (if your put on trial) and host some events to liven up classic.
Also as nick said that he makes new worlds all the time. Surely this is all that is asked from him right now for classic. Optical as stopped developing software for classic as its almost perfect right, so the admins are they to just make new worlds.
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And wratkie, I am constantly making news worlds for classic.
Thats what I meant, its not needed, but people will just yell at whoever for not getting new updates.
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Could we just give a veteran classic op (one thats on alot, and a trusted one) the ability to create new worlds and promote to crafter and operator?
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Could we just give a veteran classic op (one thats on alot, and a trusted one) the ability to create new worlds and promote to crafter and operator?
Isn't that the same as a Admin? (Online)
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Could we just give a veteran classic op (one thats on alot, and a trusted one) the ability to create new worlds and promote to crafter and operator?
Isn't that the same as a Admin? (Online)
I'm sure they do more then that.
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Admins don't just run around using fancy commands and whatnot on worlds. Admins also need to know how to use and read server software in case anything does junk up on the server-side of things.
A third admin is just not necessary. We have been perfectly fine with two and that's all we need.
Thread locked because the conclusion has been reached a while ago. Do not bring this up again.