Quote from: daniblue182 on April 10, 2015, 10:01:44 am

Quote from: TomRizz on April 10, 2015, 06:30:24 am

If there was to be a PVP server it might attract players then said players might join the SMP/Creative servers.

We have PvP arenas

To be honest that is a half assed attempt at PVP that was in place with what we have, it is inadequate for actually advertising we have PVP and although it works, lacks many things.

PvP server! PvP server! PvP server!

But in all seriousness it would be cool to have a kind of combat based server, not so much minigames or what you see hundreds of times, but something that focuses primarily on combat based games. SMP is awesome, Creative is awesome, but these are both things we've had for a very long time, and both mainly focus on Minecraft's vanilla features. Like Tobs said, SMP's PvP was a quick solution to an even bigger idea that fell through. People like building, but they also want blood, and with the proper setup, a combat server would be a huge hit.

lol no problem, glad it worked

Quote from: xDeeKay on February 18, 2015, 01:12:06 am

Wasn't having a stab in any way, but whatever makes you sleep at night boys

Alrighty then.

Got anything productive to add, or do you just like butting in?

Quote from: Tobs on February 13, 2015, 02:09:39 am

They would definitely be the first to go.

I and probably many others especially chose to become a member and build in the member world to have a somewhat more "permanent" place to build. (And I'm still building there every day.)

Never was it said any world would be permanent. You should pick your choices more carefully perhaps.

Better yet, just reset SMP plz

Everyone is trying to get somewhere in this world. His motives are crystal clear. The Bukkit ppl thought they were working on their own future.

They were all knowingly voluntarily contributing to a project for free. Hell, even the Moderators of the site resigned with the same excuse. Do you think the Moderators were building their career as Moderators? I don't think so, I think it was just a petty excuse to make people feel sorry for them. What they did was a hobby, and asking money for that at anytime is just wrong.

You forget this is a money issue. Mojang making TONS of money, and having ppl (Wolverness among many others, who all quit too) working for them without paying them, even without them knowing it. Indeed, I don't blame the guy at all for expecting something in return after they found out. It's not like Mojang couldn't afford it. Instead they said "screw you" and then he decided to stop the project. He always thought his code would be worth a lot but Mojang just tried to confiscate it.

Whether it was a money issue or whether they were just claiming entitlement to money for what they did are 2 different things. Again, this wasn't a money issue because they were all contributing to a project as a hobby. As far as I know, there was nothing in any contract saying they'd ever be paid for doing anything, if there was, there would be a whole new issue here.

As soon as Mojang was thrown into the picture, they all felt that they were somehow entitled to extra resources and rewards. Again you blame Mojang for being the cause of the whole entire staff not knowing about Mojang's ownership over the project, yet I happen to recall EvilSeph being the Bukkit lead at the time, so you don't think maybe he should have been the one to sit them all down and say, "hey guys, Mojang own us now".

You also claim that they somehow "confiscated" his code, again not true at all. Bukkit at that time owned the project after EvilSeph's resignation, that is all. If anything that is EvilSeph's fault for not thinking that one through.

Dinnerbone then promised he would finish it which he never did. That's why we have Spigot now instead of Bukkit.

Wrong again. Are you sure you did your research? It went something like this:
1. EvilSeph decides for whatever reason (he said DMCA issues, which turned out to be a lie) he wanted to shut down Bukkit.
2. Mojang said hell no (and actually saved the project for the time being)
3. Dinnerbone said he'd update Bukkit
4. Majority, if not all Bukkit staff resign
5. Wolverness filed a DMCA takedown request
6. Bukkit were required to hold the project
7. The Bukkit forums were put under the control of the Curse team
8. md_5 and the Spigot team released 1.8 for Spigot and Bukkit

That is what leaded to the creation of 1.8 Spigot and Bukkit, not Dinnerbone. He literally has nothing to do with that.

Ppl need to understand that Mojang would never be the company they are now without the work of the Bukkit ppl.
Mojang could have shown the Bukkit guys some god damn financial appreciation!
Instead the Bukkit ppl got screwed and Mojang was sold for 2.5 billion dollars.
It's a damn shame Wolverness wasn't able to sue them for an enormous amount of money.

Pretty much covered all of this nonsense, please refer to the above paragraphs.

(PS,  is that the same Dinnerbone that screwed us all by promising he would update Bukkit to 1.8 but never did?)

No, it's the Dinnerbone that said he would update Bukkit, but was then legally not allowed to due to someone else screwing the community over. Gah.. please learn what actually happened, you described like 10% of the story here.

So why exactly did you create a brand new forum account?