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Title: Operator Application - Wyboth
Post by: Wyboth on September 19, 2012, 11:27:14 am
Name: Wyboth
Age: 15
Location: USA
Timezone: Central Time (GMT-6)
Join Date: Sunday, 24 April 2011
Forum Join Date: 03 March 2012
Current Rank: Recruit
Reason for application: I have decided that my time on this server would be much better spent as an Operator than as a Crafter.
Why you should become an operator: I am very mature, dedicated, and helpful, and I will fill another gap of time when there are no operators on.
Have you been temp-op before?: No
Extra Information: I have received permission from Nick3306 to apply.
Title: Re: Operator Application - Wyboth
Post by: DeeKay on September 19, 2012, 01:08:12 pm
Good luck Wyboth.
Title: Re: Operator Application - Wyboth
Post by: Wyboth on September 19, 2012, 01:20:35 pm
Thanks, xDeeKay.
Title: Re: Operator Application - Wyboth
Post by: mgfrake on September 19, 2012, 01:26:43 pm
Didn't expect this. Good luck Wyboth
Title: Re: Operator Application - Wyboth
Post by: Coolcrab88 on September 19, 2012, 04:04:22 pm
I will support you, because even though I can't remember if we've met in-game, this person mostly always shows maturity in the forums. So, 100% supported, good luck. ;)
Title: Re: Operator Application - Wyboth
Post by: Cyan of the Griffins on September 19, 2012, 04:33:47 pm
Despite our differences, the best of luck to you, Wy.
Title: Re: Operator Application - Wyboth
Post by: Wyboth on September 19, 2012, 06:36:05 pm
Thanks for all of the support, guys.
Title: Re: Operator Application - Wyboth
Post by: ry_an_c on September 19, 2012, 07:47:19 pm
ehhhhh, sometimes you can get on peoples nerves but gl dude, you deserve a chance
Title: Re: Operator Application - Wyboth
Post by: Wyboth on September 19, 2012, 07:48:56 pm
ehhhhh, sometimes you can get on peoples nerves but gl dude, you deserve a chance

Yeah, I know, I'm trying to get past that. Thanks :D
Title: Re: Operator Application - Wyboth
Post by: UnknownHedgehog on September 19, 2012, 07:55:25 pm
To be honest with you, you did get on peoples' nerves and can be very argumentative over little things that don't matter.

Also, aren't you only allowed to be on like 1 hour per day?
Title: Re: Operator Application - Wyboth
Post by: Wyboth on September 19, 2012, 07:59:57 pm
To be honest with you, you did get on peoples' nerves and can be very argumentative over little things that don't matter.

Also, aren't you only allowed to be on like 1 hour per day?
Yes, I am aware that I was argumentative, and as I said, I'm trying not to be like that anymore. As for one hour a day, that is only at my mother's house, which I am at only half of the time. After 1 hour is up, I have to do 1 hour of chores before I am allowed back on the computer. I have had a talk with my mother about this issue, and she has refused to lift the restriction. At my father's house, I am allowed unlimited computer time.
Title: Re: Operator Application - Wyboth
Post by: gameguy96 on September 19, 2012, 08:22:57 pm
sorry, but i cannot support this. you dont have a open enough mind, and you can be really offensive to people, so they lost their confidence. witch is not really proper for a op. and you mingle with things that don't concern you. so sorry dude no support from me.
Title: Re: Operator Application - Wyboth
Post by: SalsaInABowl on September 19, 2012, 09:05:16 pm
Supported. You kewl. I was kinda wanting to do the same thing since I probably would never be able to achieve even builder.
Title: Re: Operator Application - Wyboth
Post by: Wyboth on September 19, 2012, 10:12:02 pm
There's something else I'd like to mention, and it pertains to this. (http://www.opticraft.net/index.php/topic,12724.0.html) I knew that I would get asked about my ordeal with GIMP when I posted this. I realize that I was wrong to be so raucous with my opinion about GIMP. I have stopped arguing about it, and I would like to put the whole issue behind me. It's been over a month since all of this happened. Gavin and I have worked it out, and we're friends again. I realize that this is one argument against my app, but I'd like to let everyone know that I've changed a lot since then, and I hope this doesn't taint my reputation.
Title: Re: Operator Application - Wyboth
Post by: iGenerator on September 19, 2012, 10:31:38 pm
 Wyboth, I do not think people have forgot how you handle yourself when confronted with a problem as little as how people make sprites. I cannot support you in this, I do not think you are ready for this power at all.

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Title: Re: Operator Application - Wyboth
Post by: Wyboth on September 19, 2012, 10:46:31 pm
Wyboth, I do not think people have forgot how you handle yourself when confronted with a problem as little as how people make sprites. I cannot support you in this, I do not think you are ready for this power at all.

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I just said that I'm past that in my last post.
Title: Re: Operator Application - Wyboth
Post by: gavin1928374655 on September 19, 2012, 11:06:02 pm
Not supported for now, i will inform you if my mind changes.
Title: Re: Operator Application - Wyboth
Post by: SalsaInABowl on September 20, 2012, 12:56:15 am
Yo friend supports you mah boi
Title: Re: Operator Application - Wyboth
Post by: xNuzzy on September 20, 2012, 12:57:43 am
I am going to be totally honest here. It is true in the past that you have been arguementive and you have been getting on people's nerves. However, you say that you have been working on that and I think that you have been working on it since I haven't seen any major arguements from you recently. So keep it up.

I cannot support you at the moment but I might change my mind later on.

Good luck nonetheless.
Title: Re: Operator Application - Wyboth
Post by: bantam2 on September 20, 2012, 01:07:16 am
Wyboth, I do not think people have forgot how you handle yourself when confronted with a problem as little as how people make sprites. I cannot support you in this, I do not think you are ready for this power at all.

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I just said that I'm past that in my last post.

Wyboth, I think that it is great that you are getting over your annoying argumentative phase but an Operator application is not the right place to prove that. Seeing some of the comments like gameguy's, which is totally spot on, should really speak to you and warrant a better response than "I'm past that". I reference gameguy's comment specifically because he is an experienced, active Operator and knows how difficult Classic can be at times. I do not wish to sit here and bash you, but I think that this community deserves a better response if you want them to respect you as an Operator.

Good Luck with your application.
Title: Re: Operator Application - Wyboth
Post by: SalsaInABowl on September 20, 2012, 01:09:09 am
Wyboth, I do not think people have forgot how you handle yourself when confronted with a problem as little as how people make sprites. I cannot support you in this, I do not think you are ready for this power at all.

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I just said that I'm past that in my last post.

Wyboth, I think that it is great that you are getting over your annoying argumentative phase but an Operator application is not the right place to prove that. Seeing some of the comments like gameguy's, which is totally spot on, should really speak to you and warrant a better response than "I'm past that". I reference gameguy's comment specifically because he is an experienced, active Operator and knows how difficult Classic can be at times. I do not wish to sit here and bash you, but I think that this community deserves a better response if you want them to respect you as an Operator.

Good Luck with your application.


I expect this on my mod app XD
Title: Re: Operator Application - Wyboth
Post by: Wyboth on September 20, 2012, 01:31:21 am
Sure, Bantam, I will provide a better response.

Let's not deceive ourselves; I've had a couple of incidents in the past where I've gotten on people's nerves. I'm fully aware of what I've done, and the impact that it's had on others. I would like to formally apologize to anyone whose feelings that I might have hurt. I'm sorry. I did not mean to hurt you in any way. I was having an argument, but I didn't intend for any of it to be taken personally. Please forgive me if I hurt your feelings. I'll do my best to not start any arguments in the future.

As for his statement that I mingle with things that do not concern me, if he means my suggestions, then all I'm trying to do is make the server a better place. I can see how my past arguments would taint my reputation, but I don't see how making suggestions would disqualify me. Could you explain this a little bit better?

Now, talking to everyone as a whole: I've noticed that most of the comments focus on all of the reasons why I shouldn't be an op. What about the reasons why I should? What I'm asking is that you look at the big picture, that you look at every aspect of me, not just the negative. I would also ask that you examine me more closely as I am today, because I've changed in the past month. Judge me as who I am today, not as who I was a month ago. The me from one month ago isn't who you're deciding whether or not to promote to op, it's the me today.

Thank you for all of your input, both positive and negative.
Title: Re: Operator Application - Wyboth
Post by: iGenerator on September 20, 2012, 02:26:24 am
If you want us to say things about you in the last 30 days then? Okay. "Wyboth: Greetings, maggots." how is that respectful? If you want others to treat you with respect don't call them bugs. "A maggot is the larva of a fly." No way is that nice to say to others.
Title: Re: Operator Application - Wyboth
Post by: SalsaInABowl on September 20, 2012, 02:56:33 am
If you want us to say things about you in the last 30 days then? Okay. "Wyboth: Greetings, maggots." how is that respectful? If you want others to treat you with respect don't call them bugs. "A maggot is the larva of a fly." No way is that nice to say to others.

Dude, now that's just being rude. Come on, he at least apologized.
Title: Re: Operator Application - Wyboth
Post by: Wyboth on September 20, 2012, 02:56:47 am
If you want us to say things about you in the last 30 days then? Okay. "Wyboth: Greetings, maggots." how is that respectful? If you want others to treat you with respect don't call them bugs. "A maggot is the larva of a fly." No way is that nice to say to others.
It's a reference to Mr. Popo from Dragon Ball Z Abridged by Team Four Star, and, once again, a joke.
Title: Re: Operator Application - Wyboth
Post by: Kurseddragon on September 20, 2012, 04:03:34 am
If you want us to say things about you in the last 30 days then? Okay. "Wyboth: Greetings, maggots." how is that respectful? If you want others to treat you with respect don't call them bugs. "A maggot is the larva of a fly." No way is that nice to say to others.
It's a reference to Mr. Popo from Dragon Ball Z Abridged by Team Four Star, and, once again, a joke.

If there's one piece of advice I can give you about this server in general.
...
Your jokes are gonna kill you (Not yours specifically, but jokes in general).
Title: Re: Operator Application - Wyboth
Post by: hennydeez on September 20, 2012, 04:59:47 am
I'd like to input my opinion on this:

This is an application, sure you can give good feedback and what not, but if you're going to post something negative or something that could start an argument, then it's best not to.

As you would've noticed from the recent posts.
Title: Re: Operator Application - Wyboth
Post by: SalsaInABowl on September 20, 2012, 06:11:03 am
Really guys?

This is just an application for moderator, and now it's "Let's all roast Wyboth!"

Don't be so hard on him, especially not in here, where all he wants is to become an operator.
Title: Re: Operator Application - Wyboth
Post by: Coolcrab88 on September 20, 2012, 07:35:11 am
Really guys?

This is just an application for moderator, and now it's "Let's all roast Wyboth!"

Don't be so hard on him, especially not in here, where all he wants is to become an operator.

I agree, Sir. Wyboth deserves a chance, and he's tried to apologize. So don't be so hard on him. :-\
Title: Re: Operator Application - Wyboth
Post by: bantam2 on September 20, 2012, 02:51:07 pm
When I posted my comment, I had no intention of starting an argument but only to get Wyboth to thoroughly explain how he has shown that he has changed. I am content with the response and wish him good luck. I agree with Henz that this discussion should not become a personal matter. In addition it should not consist of comments such as "give him a shot, everyone gets a try!" To me, those comments just sound like they are trying to spark more arguments.
Title: Re: Operator Application - Wyboth
Post by: officiersmirnof on September 20, 2012, 04:24:00 pm
i wil not support this
Title: Re: Operator Application - Wyboth
Post by: clawstrider on September 20, 2012, 10:01:45 pm
i wil not support this because
1. i dont know you good enough
2. half of the time 1 hour a day is not what we need we need ops wo are on more

If you don't know him... Don't post...

I know my own opinion doesn't count for much, but I support Wyboth. Has he had past history? Yes. Do I care? No. People change. He is mature, sensible, can take a joke, and I think he would be a great addition to the team. He does need to work on not getting so aggravated by trolls bit that can happen later.
I'm not going to go on some rant, but seriously, ignore the haters, half of them are talking shit.
Title: Re: Operator Application - Wyboth
Post by: xNuzzy on September 20, 2012, 11:45:59 pm
I have given it some thought and I have decided to Support you on the condition you keep chill and less arguementive on a consistent basis, just as your are doing at the moment. I think aside from all of that, you would make a good op.

Good luck once more.
Title: Re: Operator Application - Wyboth
Post by: Wyboth on September 20, 2012, 11:49:32 pm
I have given it some thought and I have decided to Support you on the condition you keep chill and less arguementive just as your are doing at the moment. I think aside from all of that, you would make a good op.

Good luck once more.
Thanks, xNuzzy. I don't ever see myself going back to being argumentative like I was a month ago. Thanks again for the support.
Title: Re: Operator Application - Wyboth
Post by: gavin1928374655 on September 21, 2012, 12:27:27 am
Not supported for now, i will inform you if my mind changes.
withdrawn, you have my support
Title: Re: Operator Application - Wyboth
Post by: UnknownHedgehog on September 21, 2012, 03:03:21 am
Here's my view.
And this is just my opinion; Not trying to be a "hater" or "shit talker".
And I don't want to start an argument or anything, just giving my view.


To be honest, one month is not that long of a period of time compared to how long he's been around.

And, correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the majority of rejected op apps based on past actions?

I know that people can change.
But what strikes me is the sudden change of heart when he decided to apply for op.
How when he decided to go for op, he decided he's past all that.

I mean, it's a given that if you're gonna apply for op, you gotta make yourself look eligible for op.
But that should be based off a maturity that has been shown for a decent time compared to how long that person has been around.
Not that person is changing because he wants to be an op (And I've seen that a lot in op apps. Where somebody would point out an instance, and that person would be like "I'm working on that").

Idk, say what you want, but that's just my view.
Title: Re: Operator Application - Wyboth
Post by: Kurseddragon on September 21, 2012, 03:34:15 am
Here's my view.
And this is just my opinion; Not trying to be a "hater" or "shit talker".
And I don't want to start an argument or anything, just giving my view.


To be honest, one month is not that long of a period of time compared to how long he's been around.

And, correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the majority of rejected op apps based on past actions?

I know that people can change.
But what strikes me is the sudden change of heart when he decided to apply for op.
How when he decided to go for op, he decided he's past all that.

I mean, it's a given that if you're gonna apply for op, you gotta make yourself look eligible for op.
But that should be based off a maturity that has been shown for a decent time compared to how long that person has been around.
Not that person is changing because he wants to be an op (And I've seen that a lot in op apps. Where somebody would point out an instance, and that person would be like "I'm working on that").

Idk, say what you want, but that's just my view.

I was going to post something, but I didn't know the right words. ^Those are the right words.

And to add onto that, assuming you are only "getting passed things" to look more mature to be an op, I guarantee you, regardless of the outcome, you'll end up going back to the way you were.
Even if you really did have a sudden change of heart.
UH is right, a month isn't enough time to tell. If you can change in one month, why can't you change back a month later?

You get rejected: No need to stay "mature" and work on getting passed things. (Well, there is still a need, but not as important since there's no real aim)
You get accepted: I give it around a month until you're used to being an op before your old habits slowly start creeping in.

It's not you personally that I think that would happen to, it's just human nature.
Title: Re: Operator Application - Wyboth
Post by: iGenerator on September 21, 2012, 03:44:52 am
It is not very often that I agree with Kurse but this is one of those times.
Title: Re: Operator Application - Wyboth
Post by: SalsaInABowl on September 21, 2012, 03:54:58 am
It is not very often that I agree with Kurse but this is one of those times.

You're just agreeing to everything that is against Wyboth.
Title: Re: Operator Application - Wyboth
Post by: Kurseddragon on September 21, 2012, 04:01:43 am
It is not very often that I agree with Kurse but this is one of those times.

You're just agreeing to everything that is against Wyboth.

Technically mine was against human nature, not specifically Wyboth.
(Though in this case, it was directed to him)
Title: Re: Operator Application - Wyboth
Post by: mgfrake on September 21, 2012, 06:02:58 am
I don't know how all of you type so much.
On topic: kinda what henz said, just let the past be the past i mean, i dont fully support him YET but half of you havent seen if hes changed or not so dont post if you dont know.
Title: Re: Operator Application - Wyboth
Post by: Wyboth on September 21, 2012, 11:35:14 am
Here's my view.
And this is just my opinion; Not trying to be a "hater" or "shit talker".
And I don't want to start an argument or anything, just giving my view.


To be honest, one month is not that long of a period of time compared to how long he's been around.

And, correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the majority of rejected op apps based on past actions?

I know that people can change.
But what strikes me is the sudden change of heart when he decided to apply for op.
How when he decided to go for op, he decided he's past all that.

I mean, it's a given that if you're gonna apply for op, you gotta make yourself look eligible for op.
But that should be based off a maturity that has been shown for a decent time compared to how long that person has been around.
Not that person is changing because he wants to be an op (And I've seen that a lot in op apps. Where somebody would point out an instance, and that person would be like "I'm working on that").

Idk, say what you want, but that's just my view.
That is a very good point, and I believe it warrants a response.

I know that it looks bad that I'm suddenly changing when I apply for op, indeed, I thought about it myself. The only thing I can really say about this is that for the past month, although I never said it, I wasn't being argumentative. It's not really that I've all of a sudden decided to be mature; I've been mature for the past month, but I've never pointed it out until now, when the topic came up. I heard you about how a month isn't long enough, but Nick3306 said that he wouldn't be making a decision on my app anytime soon, so hopefully between now and the time he decides will be long enough for you to see if I've truly changed or not. Another point that you made was that I might have changed only because I wanted the promotion and not because I'm really over it. If I may, I'd like to go a little bit into psychology. There are two ways a person can be motivated: internally and externally. An external motivation would be like what you just described: a person changes only so that they can get a reward. The other type is internal, which is where they themselves want to change, not just for some type of reward. This is what my motivation is. I'm not changing because I want to get op, I'm changing because I realize that I've hurt some people and I want to stop doing that. Yes, I am also externally motivated by the promotion, but that is not the main drive of why I've changed. I only decided to apply for op the night before I posted this app, so all of the change you saw in the past month was purely internal, which brings me to another point. Kursed said that it's human nature to change back to the way you were before. He's absolutely right in saying this - I've seen it happen over and over again. But usually the people who change back were what UH described: just being good to get the reward. Once they had it, it didn't matter to be good anymore, since they had gotten what they wanted. With op, it's a bit different because it can be taken away, but deep down they're the same. I can guarantee you that all of those people were externally motivated by the reward. They had no real reason to change, they just wanted the reward, and after that, it didn't matter. That's not how I am. Since I'm internally motivated, my desire to remain how I am now won't burn out after I get op (assuming I get it). Since I changed for a different reason, the promotion won't matter that much to me regarding my argumentativeness. I'll stay the way I am because I don't want to hurt people's feelings. So Kursed, you are absolutely right that it is human nature to change back - for those that are externally motivated. But I'm not that way, which is why I don't see myself changing back.
Title: Re: Operator Application - Wyboth
Post by: Kurseddragon on September 21, 2012, 01:37:17 pm
Here's my view.
And this is just my opinion; Not trying to be a "hater" or "shit talker".
And I don't want to start an argument or anything, just giving my view.


To be honest, one month is not that long of a period of time compared to how long he's been around.

And, correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the majority of rejected op apps based on past actions?

I know that people can change.
But what strikes me is the sudden change of heart when he decided to apply for op.
How when he decided to go for op, he decided he's past all that.

I mean, it's a given that if you're gonna apply for op, you gotta make yourself look eligible for op.
But that should be based off a maturity that has been shown for a decent time compared to how long that person has been around.
Not that person is changing because he wants to be an op (And I've seen that a lot in op apps. Where somebody would point out an instance, and that person would be like "I'm working on that").

Idk, say what you want, but that's just my view.
That is a very good point, and I believe it warrants a response.

I know that it looks bad that I'm suddenly changing when I apply for op, indeed, I thought about it myself. The only thing I can really say about this is that for the past month, although I never said it, I wasn't being argumentative. It's not really that I've all of a sudden decided to be mature; I've been mature for the past month, but I've never pointed it out until now, when the topic came up. I heard you about how a month isn't long enough, but Nick3306 said that he wouldn't be making a decision on my app anytime soon, so hopefully between now and the time he decides will be long enough for you to see if I've truly changed or not. Another point that you made was that I might have changed only because I wanted the promotion and not because I'm really over it. If I may, I'd like to go a little bit into psychology. There are two ways a person can be motivated: internally and externally. An external motivation would be like what you just described: a person changes only so that they can get a reward. The other type is internal, which is where they themselves want to change, not just for some type of reward. This is what my motivation is. I'm not changing because I want to get op, I'm changing because I realize that I've hurt some people and I want to stop doing that. Yes, I am also externally motivated by the promotion, but that is not the main drive of why I've changed. I only decided to apply for op the night before I posted this app, so all of the change you saw in the past month was purely internal, which brings me to another point. Kursed said that it's human nature to change back to the way you were before. He's absolutely right in saying this - I've seen it happen over and over again. But usually the people who change back were what UH described: just being good to get the reward. Once they had it, it didn't matter to be good anymore, since they had gotten what they wanted. With op, it's a bit different because it can be taken away, but deep down they're the same. I can guarantee you that all of those people were externally motivated by the reward. They had no real reason to change, they just wanted the reward, and after that, it didn't matter. That's not how I am. Since I'm internally motivated, my desire to remain how I am now won't burn out after I get op (assuming I get it). Since I changed for a different reason, the promotion won't matter that much to me regarding my argumentativeness. I'll stay the way I am because I don't want to hurt people's feelings. So Kursed, you are absolutely right that it is human nature to change back - for those that are externally motivated. But I'm not that way, which is why I don't see myself changing back.

I can vouch for your internal/external motivation making a difference since I went through an internal change in real life which I'm not gonna go into detail.
I'm not gonna lie, it's not that hard to go back without noticing. The funny part is there has to be something motivating you to motivate you, if that makes sense.

In this case, it'll either be "I wanna stop hurting people" for you, or "I wanna be an op" and honestly, none of us could know the truth 'cause it's an easy thing to hide.

Since Nick is gonna take a while before replying, we'll see how you can handle this type of situation over time.
If my opinion actually mattered, I'd say I don't support you yet due to a time issue, but since it really doesn't matter I'll just wish you good luck. That's all I'm gonna say.
Title: Re: Operator Application - Wyboth
Post by: zombieravemaster on September 21, 2012, 02:11:07 pm
some support and others don't support :P but i wont choose to support or not to support, i will simple wish you luck wyboth
Title: Re: Operator Application - Wyboth
Post by: Wyboth on September 21, 2012, 03:29:06 pm
If I ever do go back, someone can tell me that, and I'll snap out of it. I don't see myself going back anytime soon.

Motivating me to motivate me? Could you explain that better?

I would hope that people wouldn't distrust me so much as to think that I'm lying about all of this.
Title: Re: Operator Application - Wyboth
Post by: Kurseddragon on September 21, 2012, 09:10:02 pm
If I ever do go back, someone can tell me that, and I'll snap out of it. I don't see myself going back anytime soon.

Motivating me to motivate me? Could you explain that better?

I would hope that people wouldn't distrust me so much as to think that I'm lying about all of this.

Basically, changing for a reason.
You need to motivate yourself to continue motivating yourself.
Title: Re: Operator Application - Wyboth
Post by: Wyboth on September 21, 2012, 09:28:59 pm
If I ever do go back, someone can tell me that, and I'll snap out of it. I don't see myself going back anytime soon.

Motivating me to motivate me? Could you explain that better?

I would hope that people wouldn't distrust me so much as to think that I'm lying about all of this.

Basically, changing for a reason.
You need to motivate yourself to continue motivating yourself.

I sort of get what you mean. Basically, I have to still want to want myself to do good things, right? If so, yes.
Title: Re: Operator Application - Wyboth
Post by: Kurseddragon on September 21, 2012, 09:35:32 pm
If I ever do go back, someone can tell me that, and I'll snap out of it. I don't see myself going back anytime soon.

Motivating me to motivate me? Could you explain that better?

I would hope that people wouldn't distrust me so much as to think that I'm lying about all of this.

Basically, changing for a reason.
You need to motivate yourself to continue motivating yourself.

I sort of get what you mean. Basically, I have to still want to want myself to do good things, right? If so, yes.

No, you have to make yourself determined to stick with your change.
It's like being motivated to work out, you may have a reason to do it, so you try it for like a week, but to continuously do it, basically forever, is the second motivation you need.
Title: Re: Operator Application - Wyboth
Post by: Wyboth on September 21, 2012, 09:53:58 pm
If I ever do go back, someone can tell me that, and I'll snap out of it. I don't see myself going back anytime soon.

Motivating me to motivate me? Could you explain that better?

I would hope that people wouldn't distrust me so much as to think that I'm lying about all of this.

Basically, changing for a reason.
You need to motivate yourself to continue motivating yourself.

I sort of get what you mean. Basically, I have to still want to want myself to do good things, right? If so, yes.

No, you have to make yourself determined to stick with your change.
It's like being motivated to work out, you may have a reason to do it, so you try it for like a week, but to continuously do it, basically forever, is the second motivation you need.
That's the other thing that I was thinking, and yes, I have that motivation.
Title: Re: Operator Application - Wyboth
Post by: UnknownHedgehog on September 22, 2012, 11:59:18 pm
Well, sorry Wy, but you still do not have my support.

As demonstrated today, you can still be argumentative (over something as Soul's gender which his gender is stated on his profile).
Title: Re: Operator Application - Wyboth
Post by: Wyboth on September 23, 2012, 04:03:53 am
Well, sorry Wy, but you still do not have my support.

As demonstrated today, you can still be argumentative (over something as Soul's gender which his gender is stated on his profile).
That was an argument? I didn't think it was one. He asked me why I thought he was a girl before, so I told him. Honestly, it wasn't a big deal to me, which is why I never checked his profile. Sorry if he was offended by it, but that wasn't an argument. I was shocked that he was a boy, and he was shocked that I was misled before. But we weren't arguing over it; it's not like I can change his gender by disagreeing (which I didn't disagree). Anyways, this is getting a bit weird, so I won't say anything else about this for now.

I have another question: why is everyone still making a huge deal over how I was argumentative? I'm past it and I apologized; what more is there to say? I'd like to see some more posts about the things ops do more regularly, like banning griefers, helping guests, and judging builds. Yes, maturity is an issue, but it's only one of the things that needs to be considered. So far, nothing else has been discussed but how mature or immature I am. If any more issues come up, by all means, post them. But besides that, I'd like to take a more holistic approach to this. Here are some of the things that I'd do as an op:

1. Rule Breakers. Here are my views on ban limits for griefers. If they griefed one build, I will give them a one week ban, hoping that it will teach them not to grief again. That's their only warning. If they come back and grief again, it will be a permanent ip-ban. For someone who griefs more than one build, it really depends on the severity of the griefing. I might decide to give them a month ban and see if they only griefed about 3 builds, and nothing else. If they were griefing a lot and being rude, I'll perma-ban them without a doubt. This brings me to another subject, which is being abusive towards other players. If they start to be abusive, I'll first tell them to stop, then maybe one more warning if they continue. After that, I'll kick them. I'll kick them again if they keep being abusive. After that, I'll give them a one-day ban for abuse and consult with another op as for future punishment. If they still don't get a clue, right here it boils down to how abusive they're being. If they aren't that bad, I might give them a day or a week. If they're egregious, I'll perma-ban them, but if they were that bad before, I might have perma-banned them before. It really comes down to how bad they were being for this one. Next topic: hackers, if this ever happens. Instant perma-ban. There's no mercy for this one. Ban evasion: tell them to make an appeal and not to make extra accounts, then ban the account. Non-English Public Chat: Give them several warnings for this one. Eventually I may kick them, but I doubt I would ever have to ban anyone for this. Advertising: Give them one warning. If they continue, kick. If they continue after that, one more kick. After that, one-week ban. After that, perma-ban. Vulgar drawings: one-week ban. Any more and I'll make it permanent.
Now, I'm not saying that I'm going to follow these exactly every time. They'll change based on the situation and the severity. The short way to say this is to use common sense, but since you don't know how my common sense works, that was a brief list of ways that I might act in certain situations.

2. Helping Guests. This one's a lot shorter, since I don't have to make a list. Basically, I'll answer any questions a guest has, using hotkeys when applicable. This is pretty general; I'll be helpful in whatever way is required.

3. Ranking. This part is probably the most opinionated of all. How I will rank a build is based on appearance and effort. Basically, it has to look good, and it has to have been moderately difficult to make. A box made of bookshelves won't fly (seriously, someone tried to get promoted with that before) because it was too easy to make and doesn't look good. I could go into another elaborate list here, but that would be far too long, so if you want to know anything, just ask. Better yet, show me a screenshot of the build, and I'll tell you my opinion and why.

So, that's a basic summary of what I would do with those situations. UH, or any others, if you have any further questions or concerns with my maturity, please do post them, but don't if you've already said it before. This discussion was starting to get cyclical. If you don't have any more, I'd like to start discussing what I've just mentioned.

Update: Does anyone have anything to say? It's been eleven days since I posted this.
Title: Re: Operator Application - Wyboth
Post by: HammondsBen :) on September 23, 2012, 04:11:11 am
support
Title: Re: Operator Application - Wyboth
Post by: mgfrake on October 04, 2012, 06:12:41 pm
This is out to all people who may make op apps: Right now, Mojang thinks they are funny to put Opticraft classic at the end by refreshing the list. So we pretty much need no operators, for we have no guests.
Title: Re: Operator Application - Wyboth
Post by: Wyboth on October 04, 2012, 07:10:59 pm
This is out to all people who may make op apps: Right now, Mojang thinks they are funny to put Opticraft classic at the end by refreshing the list. So we pretty much need no operators, for we have no guests.
I wouldn't be so harsh against Mojang; I don't think they mean any harm to us. It's probably just scheduled maintenance. Although there are less of them, we still have guests, so we still need ops. Most of the time that I'm on, there are no ops on, and at least 1 guest. Personally, I think we should have at least 1 op on all of the time, but that's not possible. I'll at least fill one gap where there are no ops.
Title: Re: Operator Application - Wyboth
Post by: mgfrake on October 05, 2012, 02:45:27 am
Eh, yeah forget what I said I just haven't seen any guest's. You may have. And the Mojang thing was a joke ;)
Title: Re: Operator Application - Wyboth
Post by: Wyboth on October 05, 2012, 11:20:03 am
The Mojang thing was a joke ;)
I was wondering about that. :)
Title: Re: Operator Application - Wyboth
Post by: Coolcrab88 on October 06, 2012, 12:46:33 pm
More reasons that we need more ops, (no ops were on at the time);

(click to show/hide)

This is out to all people who may make op apps: Right now, Mojang thinks they are funny to put Opticraft classic at the end by refreshing the list. So we pretty much need no operators, for we have no guests.

Hah. :P
Title: Re: Operator Application - Wyboth
Post by: DJAlphaWolf on October 06, 2012, 04:20:42 pm
Opti updated the list last night. Normally we'd have no guests and be at the end of the minecraft.net list. However, because of the update, we are now on top, causing loads of people to come online.
Title: Re: Operator Application - Wyboth
Post by: Wyboth on October 06, 2012, 04:59:46 pm
I just noticed.
(https://www.opticraft.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmineimg.com%2Fimages%2F2012%2F10%2F06%2Fj7GXv.png&hash=00dacc87e36b9478f298159da229b7c0)
Title: Re: Operator Application - Wyboth
Post by: DJAlphaWolf on October 06, 2012, 05:25:59 pm
I just noticed.
(https://www.opticraft.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmineimg.com%2Fimages%2F2012%2F10%2F06%2Fj7GXv.png&hash=00dacc87e36b9478f298159da229b7c0)
You came too late to the party. We had loads more. XD
Title: Re: Operator Application - Wyboth
Post by: Wyboth on October 06, 2012, 06:57:06 pm
I just noticed.
(https://www.opticraft.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmineimg.com%2Fimages%2F2012%2F10%2F06%2Fj7GXv.png&hash=00dacc87e36b9478f298159da229b7c0)
You came too late to the party. We had loads more. XD
That's just awesome. I guess this can be reopened for judging soon? Even though it was never suspended... :P
Title: Re: Operator Application - Wyboth
Post by: DJAlphaWolf on October 06, 2012, 07:17:20 pm
I just noticed.
(https://www.opticraft.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmineimg.com%2Fimages%2F2012%2F10%2F06%2Fj7GXv.png&hash=00dacc87e36b9478f298159da229b7c0)
You came too late to the party. We had loads more. XD
That's just awesome. I guess this can be reopened for judging soon? Even though it was never suspended... :P
I think that all depends how long we maintain a guest count of above 15. I don't know if opti's list update will stay up for long :P. We'll just have to wait and see.
Title: Re: Operator Application - Wyboth
Post by: Nick3306 on November 01, 2012, 10:31:24 pm
unfortunately, rejected.