Opticraft Community
Discussion forum => Legacy => Archives => Suggestions => Topic started by: Gogar72 on September 16, 2013, 03:04:56 am
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Alright so I was thinking, Why have we had the 4 diamonds for a reward for when you vote! Now everyone has plenty of diamonds unless if they PvP a lot. Which would also make things a bit better because then people can't just save up diamonds all the time for PvP. Instead they can go hunt for them and they would be a bit more valuable. My thoughts were if you Vote for the server, You get tpa for a certain amount of time, say like 2-6 hours would be nice. This could make a great way to get more votes from people since they are really wanting tpa but don't want to spend 15$. If you agree then I would love to hear it! Post what you think.
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Yeah but that kind of sucks for the staff, and people who already paid for tpa.
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Yeah but that kind of sucks for the staff, and people who already paid for tpa.
I was about to post that.
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Yeah but that kind of sucks for the staff, and people who already paid for tpa.
I was about to post that.
Gotta be faster.
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Now those could be a problem for the people who bought it, but then maybe the people who got the tpa gets 10$ to sped on another donation.
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Now those could be a problem for the people who bought it, but then maybe the people who got the tpa gets 10$ to sped on another donation.
But what if they don't want to have to vote to use it? That's what they paid for after all.
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Shouldn't this be in suggestions?
And also, maybe you get 3 tpa's for the 12 hour voting gap, but people who have already payed get it as much as they want? Not the best additional idea, but maybe it will lead to something.
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I think diamonds work.
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I like diamonds :)
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Same =)
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I agree diamonds are far from scarce, but people do like them. If its at all possible maybe make certain voting websites have a different reward for them. Like 1 website could be like coal or whatever. Then this'll encourage people to vote on every website instead of just one because there are different voting incentives.
But this is just an idea
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Honestly I don't like this idea it ruins the concept of donating for it and would be unfair on the people who have donated, diamonds are a good reward but I'd say money would be a better idea since the new members and guests can't afford materials for a home even when they sign up for the $500, I tend to help a few out and give them materials for a house etc but like $50 per vote would be a better idea it may encourage new members to vote :) just throwing my opinion out there
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id agree with dani, a money reward would be a nice way to compliment voting without crashing the balance of an item
if your a new player, you can get your full dia armor within no time, that seems wrong, its more fun to build up to diamond
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id agree with dani, a money reward would be a nice way to compliment voting without crashing the balance of an item
if your a new player, you can get your full dia armor within no time, that seems wrong, its more fun to build up to diamond
Plus it would enhance the whole survival aspect that Opticraft is currently lacking of because of the market and/homes and such. If diamonds become rare once more, not only will the economy be more enriched but players will actually have to work hard to find diamonds. Diamonds will actually have significant value once again.
I completely agree with Dani. Money would be a suitable replacement especially for the poor players that cannot afford market items.
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That would be nice to get money from donating, I don't know, I was just thinking we could switch things up a bit.
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Solution: add the ability to sell diamonds at the market for a low price. Now people can choose between money and diamonds
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Salsa, you're forgetting about the people who have 20 billion diamonds from voting 5 times a day for a year or two.
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Or we could stick with diamonds because new players would be pretty pissed if they have to work for something that other players have a shitton of.
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Half money half diamonds?
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Half money half diamonds?
Didnt we just try to limit how much money people get?
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But but but... I needz moar moneez!
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Im pretty sure Nick already said that this was not subject to change. (I might be wrong though)
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Or we could stick with diamonds because new players would be pretty pissed if they have to work for something that other players have a shitton of.
If we went off the assumption that every guest would get pissed at people owning so many diamonds through voting, then why did iron, melons and pumpkins get removed from the market in their own respective times? A lot of people were pissed about that too. They weren't guests but players nevertheless. Either they were pissed because they had a farm or they were pissed that people got so rich off the farms that there is "no possible way to make that much money anymore" and that they unfortunately missed the opportunity to make one of their own.
To be honest, I don't personally agree that just because we BELIEVE (not know for sure, but simply believe) that a majority of guests will get pissed, we won't change the voting reward to a more reasonable solution that would benefit players and the economy. And even if they do get mad...so what? That didn't stop us from removing items from the market.
And no matter what argument you make in regards to people leaving, eventually players come back lol. If you think people will leave over a simple change in the voting reward, you are sadly mistaken. 90% of guests don't even vote. Hell we only get about 5-10 daily voters. Everyone else just votes once or twice to get the diamonds, many of whom don't even fill out the captcha. So to be honest, diamonds or money, voting isn't currently something many players do much of anyways, so how can we assume guests/members are gonna be pissed? Would it really affect players negatively one way or another?
Right now, the "positive effects" every one seems to enjoy of having diamonds as a reward is that people can make armor and swords and whatever is needed, without the need to go finding it down in the dungeon. Because there's such an abundance of diamonds, players are often seen trading diamonds for small amounts of money. It's an infinite supply of diamonds theoretically coming in from a person who continuously votes so everyone can have more than the "5 a day" limit by simply trading with anyone anywhere. But think of the negative effects. We call ourselves a survival server ALOT but we are so loosely one. The fact that you can vote for an infinite amount of diamonds means that there is much less of that survival aspect. I mean, sure you can still die and lose your valuable diamonds, but honestly having the diamonds in 2 minutes as opposed to trying to find them for hours of mining just makes it easier for people to survive falling or mob attacks or whatever. Survival isn't supposed to be easy and items should not appear out of thin air. Survival, in essence, is working hard to feed yourself, to acquire items through hours of mining while fending off mobs. We have become more of a building/economy server and that troubles me.
By making money the new vote reward, players can spend it on the items they want in the market, especially PS, which is an item a majority of new players lack and constantly ask for. I see a lot of begging guests and sometimes even members, who need money to afford PS. Ya I know, we recently changed the market pricing for PS. Which is great, but that doesn't guarantee players can still get the PS they need, simply because they wouldn't know how to make money in the first place. Sure they get a free one by signing up on the forums, but it only covers such a small amount of land. More guests/members need to be able to afford the PS somehow and haven't had enough time or money to create some kind of farm that would help them reach their goals. PS is a great tool for those who want to protect their work and only those who have already figured out how to make money will be able to afford it (some members, but mostly trusted+). Fine, we don't have to be an exact definition of a survival server because we would like /tp and /home and mobdisguise and Protection Stones. But whats the point of having PS, if people can't afford it?
Personally, I'm in favor of reforming the voting reward to money. Sometimes, reform is a good thing, even if a temporary one. If you want to gauge what the public thinks, fine. But just because we change something doesn't mean people won't get over it. They will get over it as everyone eventually got over iron, pumpkin and melon removal. And I actually agreed with the removal of those items so yeah.
End rant.
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Money would help the new guests and members more with building their first home etc, diamonds should get their value back in my opinion
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I agree i have way to many diamonds and they just start felling cheep and worthless
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Holy wall of text. And I understand what you're saying. Personally, I don't care what the voting reward is as long as everyone can enjoy it, unlike with tpa.
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Holy wall of text. And I understand what you're saying. Personally, I don't care what the voting reward is as long as everyone can enjoy it, unlike with tpa.
Right. :P
It'd be nice if we could somehow test out money as a reward for a little while. Or at the very least, put it to a vote in the community somehow. I just wouldn't know how to gauge the guest's opinion though....
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Nailed it dj, how long did you spend writing that holy wall of text?
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DJ, me and Girl were talking about this and you basically said everything that went throughout our messages, thanks for putting a better description for it.
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Nailed it dj, how long did you spend writing that holy wall of text?
DJ, me and Girl were talking about this and you basically said everything that went throughout our messages, thanks for putting a better description for it.
Took me about 20 minutes of writing. 10 more minutes of editing my thoughts. I write slow :P. I wanted to get my particular thoughts and message across as maturely as possible and usually when I'm very passionate about something, I write "holy walls of text" as many people like to put it.
Anyways, I can only hope that my and several others thoughts regarding this will be heard and at the very least considered by the Operator+ staff team.
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Orr, dunno if anyone will disagree but have a limit of how much diamonds you sell? c;
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Diamonds suck as a reward. Maybe a bit of cash or something not the best item in the game.
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If this were passed, in a couple months all of you would come crying when you die with diamond stuff, and now you cant get 5 diamonds a day.
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If this were passed, in a couple months all of you would come crying when you die with diamond stuff, and now you cant get 5 diamonds a day.
Loosing diamonds should be something to cry about. They need to have a rarity to them.
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If this were passed, in a couple months all of you would come crying when you die with diamond stuff, and now you cant get 5 diamonds a day.
why would you cry over diamonds? anyway go mine lazy people..
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"Smp" huh
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"Smp" huh
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Everybody still supporting diamonds. GETTING THEM FREE is not really smp, or well it's less smp than $... I think...
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By SMP he means Survival Multi Player, for those who have trouble understanding.
Not that hard of a concept to grasp. He is essentially agreeing with how we've become less of a survival server.
I'd say we are more of a "here's some free stuff to keep you here and make you vote/donate for us" server. While diamonds are great, money wouldn't be such a bad substitute either. Besides, think about it. Diamonds could be added to the market to sell and that way, mining would be a bit more encouraged.
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Wow, I cannot believe how many people would want to change it! I think money would be a great substitute for increasing how rare diamonds are and that you could possibly sell them to the market for some cash.
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"Smp" huh
So by saying you want SMP, you want to get rid of /homes , money, and all those other things?
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It's funny how everyone's argument to change the reward from diamonds to cash seems to be "this was supposed to be SMP" "getting stuff for free isn't SMP so give me money not diamonds"
If your complaint is how much this server isn't SMP anymore, you really shouldn't be asking for money as a substitute. Money let's you go to the market and buy almost anything you want with out working for it. Money is far from SMP when there is a market.
I will go out on a limb and predict that if cash is a reward for voting (keep in mind many don't actually vote when they click for the diamonds) The ease of getting cash will all but halt trading between players in game. When money looses it's value why go through the trouble of finding someone that's online and willing to sell for cheaper then the market. If they are voting also they really don't need your money ether.
It's often this need for money and the trading that create friendships among the Players.
Money already can be obtained by donating. I think it's fair to say the donations help support the costs of keeping this server running. Opti has a well oiled machine, that's balanced rather well and the server's success is proof of this. I strongly believe cash as a reward for less then a minutes worth of work is no better then being AFK for hours just to farm.
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It's funny how everyone's argument to change the reward from diamonds to cash seems to be "this was supposed to be SMP" "getting stuff for free isn't SMP so give me money not diamonds"
If your complaint is how much this server isn't SMP anymore, you really shouldn't be asking for money as a substitute. Money let's you go to the market and buy almost anything you want with out working for it. Money is far from SMP when there is a market.
I will go out on a limb and predict that if cash is a reward for voting (keep in mind many don't actually vote when they click for the diamonds) The ease of getting cash will all but halt trading between players in game. When money looses it's value why go through the trouble of finding someone that's online and willing to sell for cheaper then the market. If they are voting also they really don't need your money ether.
It's often this need for money and the trading that create friendships among the Players.
Money already can be obtained by donating. I think it's fair to say the donations help support the costs of keeping this server running. Opti has a well oiled machine, that's balanced rather well and the server's success is proof of this. I strongly believe cash as a reward for less then a minutes worth of work is no better then being AFK for hours just to farm.
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The only reason I argue that money should be the replacement for diamonds is because I know we will NEVER abandon any of the major attractions to the server (/homes, PS, Market, etc. etc.). So I just stopped trying to ask for a "true SMP" server and started asking for a more realistic way to bring back some small bit of SMP (diamonds being a rare and significant part of SMP again instead of a worthless item).
The money voting reward idea is not even an officially considered idea by the higher tier of staff as far as I know. So, we can't really say people will be able to get "a lot of money" out of it. For all we know, its $25 a vote, 5 votes a day. So $125 a day. That's not an unreasonably large amount nor is it small. It's the perfect amount for new players to slowly make some money and get those PS's in no time. Personally, I've never seen what Opticraft would have been like with a different system that wasn't diamond rewards. Diamonds are meant to be of some value but they've become so abundant (due to artificial creation per vote) that they're worthless.
I don't like diamonds being such an easily obtainable item and if not money as its replacement, what else is there? What is valuable enough and yet not too important to the aspect of survival? I've honestly got nothing. It's either money or diamonds. And money isn't a part of survival originally, diamonds are. Diamonds protect you from the blast of that sneaky creeper, that fiercesome ender dragon blast. Diamond swords kill mobs in just a two or three hits. Diamond picks mine at the most efficient speeds for the durability. As it stands, diamonds have the longest and strongest durability, no matter what form you decide to craft them in. They are meant to be a heavily valuable item but they're not.
As for people not voting the correct way, it's simply because of our terrible voting system right now. Despite the fact that we use votifier on some voting sites, its super easy to bypass the whole captcha/votifier process by simply typing in your name and clicking on the vote button. If only all our voting links supported something like votifier, we could perhaps reprogram our votes to count only when you have truly voted on the site. And while some people have "seen the error in their voting ways" due to multiple forum threads urging them to fill out captchas, not everyone has. New members who go vote on our site think they're actually voting for us when they click those 4 buttons (when in reality they're just getting free rewards). We may not get as many votes as is but those who do vote need to be voting the correct way, instead of exploiting the voting system for free stuff.
There will be arguments on both sides for diamonds and for money and we will continuously run in circles with no obvious solutions or agreements. We will always be referencing past decisions to remove "farms". It's up to Nick to decide if he wants to change up the system. We can argue all we want but the decision ultimately lies with him.
Or perhaps....maybe it's just too late for any dramatic changes to server standards. Maybe we've benefitted from the diamond system for so long that there is no point in changing it now. We are already declining in player count as the interest in Minecraft wanes and the interests in newer games increases. So perhaps a change of this proportion could simply hinder players. If we had done this a year earlier, I feel it would have made more sense then.
I don't know what to say, even though I've said a lot. I back the money over diamonds position, but maybe it's too late for such a significant change. Either way, we have to fix the voting system itself in order to end the exploitation. It's not benefitting us at all, just making players happy to get free items. If you want to give free items, you can implement some kind of "daily gift" plugin...but not this...not through a faulty voting system.
Like I said, its up to Nick to decide what to do about all this :/.
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And another wall of holy post XD
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i didnt see much discussion yet dj, majority is ether agreeing or throwing random idee's in :D
wondering why the following argument was not mentioned yet
mining, the fun active exploring/adventure underground, with dangerous enemys and various loot
was suppose to be our main moneymaker, yet this is stil being beaten by other boring methodes
the dia's new value, would finely get everyone back on underground missions again, enjoying the game
no more afk farm bs
no more crashed, useless items
more mining fun
more voters
if theres 1 thing to improve the server, with the least effort id say we found it
if anyone disagrees il hit them with a frying pan for the greater good
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no more afk farm bs
says the KING of afk farms