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Title: Voting needs to be discussed
Post by: ☣2crzy4uall☣ on March 01, 2013, 09:12:56 pm
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The other 2 sites were 13 votes and 10 votes....

Why does this seem so wrong? Obviously we know people don't finish voting. But I didn't think it was THAT bad, 11 votes.. including mine, and we can see over 100 "Votes" being used, It's a joke,  I think that the "Top Voter" award be taken away, it doesn't seem to actually help the server. And we need some way to verify votes are actually being made. I am aware that it's not simple, and I honestly have no idea how to fix it but this just seems so wrong, I don't want it ignored. Any ideas are welcome.
Title: Re: Voting needs to be discussed
Post by: hammysandwhich on March 01, 2013, 09:24:04 pm
I quite agree with you 2crzy, players are using this for their advantage, taking the diamonds and not finishing the voting.
Title: Re: Voting needs to be discussed
Post by: ☣2crzy4uall☣ on March 01, 2013, 09:26:33 pm
It's not just the diamonds, its the Top Voter, the current top 3 voted a total of 15 times, we only had 11 votes, 1 was mine, it's completely skewed.

EDIT: looking at the numbers again, I messed up earlier, the votes are spread across the 4 sites.
Title: Re: Voting needs to be discussed
Post by: FNVcourierjon(SigilStone) on March 01, 2013, 09:42:54 pm
This is a major problem that needs to be fixed.  But Top Voter should still be kept.
That's why I suggested votifier a while ago.
Title: Re: Voting needs to be discussed
Post by: hammysandwhich on March 01, 2013, 09:53:33 pm
It's sad.... Quite sad, being that players are abusing this for their advantage, even the top votes..
Title: Re: Voting needs to be discussed
Post by: Nyssa on March 02, 2013, 03:58:24 am
I am disappointed so many of you are exploiting this.
Title: Re: Voting needs to be discussed
Post by: DeeKay on March 02, 2013, 04:08:45 am
Why am I first? I've only voted once this month O.o
Title: Re: Voting needs to be discussed
Post by: Wyboth on March 02, 2013, 04:13:31 am
I admit to clicking the buttons and not filling out the captions. I think I speak for everyone when I say that although I like the server, filling out the captions is too much work for what it's worth. All that we get are diamonds, which are now worthless, and a shot at getting free donation rewards, which is a very small chance. This leaves only one reason for actually filling out 5 captions per day, which is doing it out of the goodness of my heart. That lasted for two days, and then it was just clicking buttons. People are lazy; nobody wants to spend 5 minutes filling out captions, even if it means more people on the server. It's just not worth it.

Even if you did reverse engineer the "one quick survey" website's technology, I think very few people would actually go through the trouble of filling out the captions, since there is literally no reward. Whatever you decide to do, you can't expect people to devote 5 minutes of their lives every day to vote, especially when they would have to go out of their way to get to a computer. It won't happen. Yes, it is sad, but I see nothing to be done with it. I know I wouldn't keep voting if I actually had to fill out the captions.
Title: Re: Voting needs to be discussed
Post by: Nyssa on March 02, 2013, 04:19:48 am
We run and continue to keep the server going out of the goodness of our heats.. putting in well over 5 minutes a day for you and everyone else, Wyboth.
Title: Re: Voting needs to be discussed
Post by: Wyboth on March 02, 2013, 04:22:17 am
I know you do. I'm just breaking the ice so that the vast majority of the people who don't fill out captions can feel comfortable about saying so, and giving my two cents on the issue.

Edit: It seems like you're singling me out for this. Keep in mind that 90% of the people on Opticraft do this. Besides, we all contribute more than 5 minutes of our lives to the server in ways other than voting, as you do yourself.
Title: Re: Voting needs to be discussed
Post by: Chief149 on March 02, 2013, 04:24:50 am
I think the issue lies with top voter. If you forget to vote ONE SINGLE TIME in the entire month, then you pretty much have lost your shot at top voter. Think about it, you must check your computer once every 12 hours to vote, and you must be precise in your timing otherwise it gets screwed up and you can quickly drop out of the lead. I think if the rewards for top voters go changed somehow. We need a way for users to be able to still win the voter rewards at the end of the month even if they forget to come on and vote after 12 hours, or if they're at school or work and cannot get online to vote.

Perhaps we will see more effort if that changes.
Title: Re: Voting needs to be discussed
Post by: Wyboth on March 02, 2013, 04:39:55 am
I think the issue lies with top voter. If you forget to vote ONE SINGLE TIME in the entire month, then you pretty much have lost your shot at top voter. Think about it, you must check your computer once every 12 hours to vote, and you must be precise in your timing otherwise it gets screwed up and you can quickly drop out of the lead. I think if the rewards for top voters go changed somehow. We need a way for users to be able to still win the voter rewards at the end of the month even if they forget to come on and vote after 12 hours, or if they're at school or work and cannot get online to vote.

Perhaps we will see more effort if that changes.
If this does happen, it still won't affect people not filling out captions. This may be step two.
Title: Re: Voting needs to be discussed
Post by: __pORKCHOPS on March 02, 2013, 04:47:09 am
I agree that we should remove the top voter rank... at least until we see a significant change of the REAL votes.

And i think that votifier could work...  :-\
Title: Re: Voting needs to be discussed
Post by: DeeKay on March 02, 2013, 04:51:41 am
Or how about you all stop being so ungrateful and take the few minutes of your time to write out some captions which even a 5 year old could do.
Title: Re: Voting needs to be discussed
Post by: Wyboth on March 02, 2013, 04:53:51 am
I agree that we should remove the top voter rank... at least until we see a significant change of the REAL votes.

And i think that votifier could work...  :-\
I still maintain that people would stop voting if votifier was installed. The only reason I vote is so that I can click a button and get diamonds. If I had to fill out captions every time as well, I think I would just mine them instead. No point in still voting since I never actually did the captions in the first place.
Title: Re: Voting needs to be discussed
Post by: __pORKCHOPS on March 02, 2013, 04:55:46 am
Or how about you all stop being so ungrateful and take the few minutes of your time to write out some captions which even a 5 year old could do.

That is what i said... because now, people just click the link to have diamond or be top voter. But if there wouldn't be that rank, people would vote for real. And then when we see a significant change, we reinsert the rank abd/or the dimond donation

I agree that we should remove the top voter rank... at least until we see a significant change of the REAL votes.

And i think that votifier could work...  :-\
I still maintain that people would stop voting if votifier was installed. The only reason I vote is so that I can click a button and get diamonds. If I had to fill out captions every time as well, I think I would just mine them instead. No point in still voting since I never actually did the captions in the first place.

Voting isn't only to get some diamonds... It is to keep the server running ! and to have more members... So if you only vote for diamonds, you don't really care about the server... That is my opinion.
Title: Re: Voting needs to be discussed
Post by: Chief149 on March 02, 2013, 04:59:01 am
I agree that we should remove the top voter rank... at least until we see a significant change of the REAL votes.

And i think that votifier could work...  :-\
I still maintain that people would stop voting if votifier was installed. The only reason I vote is so that I can click a button and get diamonds. If I had to fill out captions every time as well, I think I would just mine them instead. No point in still voting since I never actually did the captions in the first place.

I think people would actually vote. That's still up to 5 diamonds per day. Plus this may fix the issue of missing 1 day of vote = losing the whole month's contest since less people would actually do it, and people who do it every day will slack on some days and just not do shit.



Also doesn't votifier give you points for diamonds which you can redeem at any moment? What if each legit, verified vote, earned a player 1 point. At any point those points can be exchanged for diamonds, but then the points go to 0. At the end of the month the players with the most points get top voter, and the top voters points are automatically redeemed so they can't just keep racking them up and getting top voter every month.
Title: Re: Voting needs to be discussed
Post by: __pORKCHOPS on March 02, 2013, 05:01:44 am
I agree that we should remove the top voter rank... at least until we see a significant change of the REAL votes.

And i think that votifier could work...  :-\
I still maintain that people would stop voting if votifier was installed. The only reason I vote is so that I can click a button and get diamonds. If I had to fill out captions every time as well, I think I would just mine them instead. No point in still voting since I never actually did the captions in the first place.

I think people would actually vote. That's still up to 5 diamonds per day. Plus this may fix the issue of missing 1 day of vote = losing the whole month's contest since less people would actually do it, and people who do it every day will slack on some days and just not do shit.



Also doesn't votifier give you points for diamonds which you can redeem at any moment? What if each legit, verified vote, earned a player 1 point. At any point those points can be exchanged for diamonds, but then the points go to 0. At the end of the month the players with the most points get top voter, and the top voters points are automatically redeemed so they can't just keep racking them up and getting top voter every month.

Th thing is that you can't really verify  if the vote is ''legit''
Title: Re: Voting needs to be discussed
Post by: Wyboth on March 02, 2013, 05:03:20 am
Or how about you all stop being so ungrateful and take the few minutes of your time to write out some captions which even a 5 year old could do.
People are lazy, myself included. You can't expect me to fill out a caption twice a day for the rest of my life when there's no reward, especially when my schedule has a conflict. Sure, at first I'll do it, but after a while it seems unnecessary and I'll stop. And I especially won't do it if it requires me to borrow my classmate's laptop and stay a minute after class to frantically type them out with them screaming at me to hurry up (true story). It sounds very evil, but I guarantee you most people went through the same process. The system is broken. Don't expect people to follow it just for moral reasons when there is an easier alternative with no drawbacks.
Title: Re: Voting needs to be discussed
Post by: __pORKCHOPS on March 02, 2013, 05:06:07 am
In my opinion, there's no magic solution. Top voter rank should be removed and the only thing to do is to be HONEST ! come on... Do you like this server ? Show it then !
Title: Re: Voting needs to be discussed
Post by: Wyboth on March 02, 2013, 05:08:03 am
Or how about you all stop being so ungrateful and take the few minutes of your time to write out some captions which even a 5 year old could do.

That is what i said... because now, people just click the link to have diamond or be top voter. But if there wouldn't be that rank, people would vote for real. And then when we see a significant change, we reinsert the rank abd/or the dimond donation

I agree that we should remove the top voter rank... at least until we see a significant change of the REAL votes.

And i think that votifier could work...  :-\
I still maintain that people would stop voting if votifier was installed. The only reason I vote is so that I can click a button and get diamonds. If I had to fill out captions every time as well, I think I would just mine them instead. No point in still voting since I never actually did the captions in the first place.

Voting isn't only to get some diamonds... It is to keep the server running ! and to have more members... So if you only vote for diamonds, you don't really care about the server... That is my opinion.
I'm glad you said that. Statistically speaking, if you are one of eleven people giving the server "real" votes, you are contributing literally nothing. You only boost the server by one point, when it's already near the bottom. There's no motivation.

Besides, I don't even think server websites have an impact on membership. I don't know anyone personally who has ever visited a top server list to join a server, and I've never run across someone on Opticraft who came from said website. So it's not even a moral sin. It's just completely pointless. There are other ways to show that you love the server, such as playing on it and making friends and enjoying yourself.
Title: Re: Voting needs to be discussed
Post by: DeeKay on March 02, 2013, 05:10:38 am
Or how about you all stop being so ungrateful and take the few minutes of your time to write out some captions which even a 5 year old could do.
People are lazy, myself included. You can't expect me to fill out a caption twice a day for the rest of my life when there's no reward, especially when my schedule has a conflict. Sure, at first I'll do it, but after a while it seems unnecessary and I'll stop. And I especially won't do it if it requires me to borrow my classmate's laptop and stay a minute after class to frantically type them out with them screaming at me to hurry up (true story). It sounds very evil, but I guarantee you most people went through the same process. The system is broken. Don't expect people to follow it just for moral reasons when there is an easier alternative with no drawbacks.
Dude, there' so many things wrong with this. You should be voting for the server because you want to help it out, not because of the reward. If you are honestly butthurt about the reward then don't even bother clicking the vote buttons. If you're at school or you're busy with something else, then wait to vote and fill out the captions in your spare time; when you have the time. Of course the system is broken, but that's when we expect people to use common sense and actually vote legitimately.
Title: Re: Voting needs to be discussed
Post by: __pORKCHOPS on March 02, 2013, 05:11:55 am
I'm glad you said that. Statistically speaking, if you are one of eleven people giving the server "real" votes, you are contributing literally nothing. You only boost the server by one point, when it's already near the bottom. There's no motivation.

Maybe elven does nothing, but imagine if at least half of the players who only click the link would vote for real... That  would be a huge amount of vote for our server and that would be a certain benefit.
Title: Re: Voting needs to be discussed
Post by: Wyboth on March 02, 2013, 05:18:31 am
Or how about you all stop being so ungrateful and take the few minutes of your time to write out some captions which even a 5 year old could do.
People are lazy, myself included. You can't expect me to fill out a caption twice a day for the rest of my life when there's no reward, especially when my schedule has a conflict. Sure, at first I'll do it, but after a while it seems unnecessary and I'll stop. And I especially won't do it if it requires me to borrow my classmate's laptop and stay a minute after class to frantically type them out with them screaming at me to hurry up (true story). It sounds very evil, but I guarantee you most people went through the same process. The system is broken. Don't expect people to follow it just for moral reasons when there is an easier alternative with no drawbacks.
Dude, there' so many things wrong with this. You should be voting for the server because you want to help it out, not because of the reward. If you are honestly butthurt about the reward then don't even bother clicking the vote buttons. If you're at school or you're busy with something else, then wait to vote and fill out the captions in your spare time; when you have the time. Of course the system is broken, but that's when we expect people to use common sense and actually vote legitimately.
You have way too much faith in human nature. People don't work like that. If there's nothing in it for them, they won't do it. As you can see by the numbers, that's exactly what happened.

You guys are making it out like it's some horrible sin not to fill out the captions for voting. I'm going to challenge the idea that top server websites actually work as advertised. Go vote on this (http://www.opticraft.net/index.php/topic,16772.0/viewResults.html) poll I created, and we will see whether or not this is actually effective.
Title: Re: Voting needs to be discussed
Post by: DeeKay on March 02, 2013, 05:20:56 am
@Wyboth

You don't have to have faith in human nature to expect people to fill out some simple captures.
I'd rather they didn't vote at all, then grab their diamonds and walk away.
Title: Re: Voting needs to be discussed
Post by: __pORKCHOPS on March 02, 2013, 05:23:03 am
@Wyboth

You don't have to have faith in human nature to expect people to fill out some simple captures.
I'd rather they didn't vote at all, then grab their diamonds and walk away.

agree, if you only vote for diamonds.. you only think about yourself...
like i said on the other topic, Voting and being top voter on a website is , in my opinion, a way to thanks the mods, op, admins, and opti for their hard work for us and for the server... They make the server nice to play and voting is a way to show their work to others. Our server is something to be proud of.
Title: Re: Voting needs to be discussed
Post by: Wyboth on March 02, 2013, 05:28:32 am
I have just challenged the notion that these websites actually recruit a significant amount of people and are worth your time to fill out the captions for. If they don't actually do anything, I'd recommend that voting be removed entirely, as it is just a way to get free, worthless diamonds.

Also, I'd like to point out to all of those calling me dishonest that I am the only one out of hundreds to admit that I didn't complete the captions. Everyone else is keeping their mouths shut. How does that make me dishonest?
Title: Re: Voting needs to be discussed
Post by: __pORKCHOPS on March 02, 2013, 05:31:33 am
I have just challenged the notion that these websites actually recruit a significant amount of people and are worth your time to fill out the captions for. If they don't actually do anything, I'd recommend that voting be removed entirely, as it is just a way to get free, worthless diamonds.

Also, I'd like to point out to all of those calling me dishonest that I am the only one out of hundreds to admit that I didn't complete the captions. Everyone else is keeping their mouths shut. How does that make me dishonest?

I'm sorry if i called you dishonest. :S But it stays in my head that the best solution would be to remove the diamond donation and the top voter rank... Then, the ones who really likes the server and wants to share it will continue to vote.
Title: Re: Voting needs to be discussed
Post by: Wyboth on March 02, 2013, 05:37:07 am
Well, if my poll ever gets unlocked, we'll get to see if voting on these websites even works. I think that maybe one or two people came to Opticraft from a top server website and stayed. If that's the case, voting is a waste of time and is basically free money. If not, then it can be kept and maybe have votifier added.

Edit: I accidentally voted yes on my own poll, so I reset the votes. There was only 1 other vote, so please re-vote.
Title: Re: Voting needs to be discussed
Post by: __pORKCHOPS on March 02, 2013, 05:38:12 am
Well, if my poll ever gets unlocked, we'll get to see if voting on these websites even works. I think that maybe one or two people came to Opticraft from a top server website and stayed. If that's the case, voting is a waste of time and is basically free money. If not, then it can be kept and maybe have votifier added.

It is not only about the joining thing.... It's all about being thankfull...
Title: Re: Voting needs to be discussed
Post by: DeeKay on March 02, 2013, 05:40:54 am
I'm done here because I've got my point across. I think you should do the same.
Title: Re: Voting needs to be discussed
Post by: Wyboth on March 02, 2013, 05:41:25 am
Well, if my poll ever gets unlocked, we'll get to see if voting on these websites even works. I think that maybe one or two people came to Opticraft from a top server website and stayed. If that's the case, voting is a waste of time and is basically free money. If not, then it can be kept and maybe have votifier added.

It is not only the joining thing.... It's all about being thankfull...
You're missing the point. It's not being thankful to pour your effort into something that does nothing for the server, if voting actually has no effect. You can always say "Thank you" to the Admins and maybe donate.

I edited my previous post with this, but it got bumped up, so I'll just add it to this post. I accidentally voted yes on my own poll, so I reset the votes. There was only 1 other vote, so please re-vote.
Title: Re: Voting needs to be discussed
Post by: __pORKCHOPS on March 02, 2013, 05:45:18 am
I'm done here because I've got my point across. I think you should do the same.

Same but just want to say that if you don't think that voting for our amazing server isn't important... just don't do it... But I'll continue. thanks
Title: Re: Voting needs to be discussed
Post by: hammysandwhich on March 02, 2013, 06:04:21 am
It doesn't even take 5 minutes to vote, just like 1 minute for all of them together.
Title: Re: Voting needs to be discussed
Post by: johekl on March 02, 2013, 06:46:29 am
It doesn't even take 5 minutes to vote, just like 1 minute for all of them together.

I don't know where you other people get 5 minutes from, doesn't even take 5 minutes when I vote from my phone.

Quote from: GTOP FAQ
You can vote once every 24 hours per internet connection but we really recommend you vote once every 12 hours because sometimes you enter wrong captcha and other things can go wrong as well, we have made tests that show that voting once every 12 hours instead of every 24 hours can give up to a 1/4 more votes.

Explaining where some of the votes are lost.
Title: Re: Voting needs to be discussed
Post by: Nick3306 on March 02, 2013, 07:25:21 am
Well, if my poll ever gets unlocked, we'll get to see if voting on these websites even works. I think that maybe one or two people came to Opticraft from a top server website and stayed. If that's the case, voting is a waste of time and is basically free money. If not, then it can be kept and maybe have votifier added.

Edit: I accidentally voted yes on my own poll, so I reset the votes. There was only 1 other vote, so please re-vote.
If vote sites dont work, i challenge you to figure out how we had 70 players on the first day we launched the 1.0 server. Our 1.8 server had 20 players max on at a time, the only difference being that we advertised the 1.0 server.

By the way, i feel kind of bad that you have so little faith in humanity.
Title: Re: Voting needs to be discussed
Post by: raul7legend on March 02, 2013, 08:42:13 am
It's sad that people don't fill out the captions and just exploit clicking for free diamonds.
Title: Re: Voting needs to be discussed
Post by: cake27 on March 02, 2013, 11:50:30 am
there is also another problem... some of the votes are being put in at 12:00am!
the top voters must have a script that makes unfinished votes.
i could only get in 9th last month!
Title: Re: Voting needs to be discussed
Post by: Spyow on March 02, 2013, 02:10:37 pm
You know. Until now, I had no idea that we had to fill out captions.

When I get the diamonds, I thought that was verifying our vote o.o
Title: Re: Voting needs to be discussed
Post by: SalsaInABowl on March 02, 2013, 03:02:48 pm
This is why I didn't want to get voting on PMC. Voting there is hard as shit, and I have really only been successful like three times before out if the like 20 times I tried, and if people think the Captcha is hard enough, then looks like PMC will require you to divide by zero. I agree with crzy. Let's just remove too voter if people are a using the exploit because I knew that not everyone wholeheartedly voted, but I didn't think it was so bad as losing 86 out of 100 votes. And I will admit I haven't voted in forever. I haven't used the exploit, not have voted at all.
Title: Re: Voting needs to be discussed
Post by: tiggy26668 on March 02, 2013, 04:13:36 pm
This is why I didn't want to get voting on PMC. Voting there is hard as shit, and I have really only been successful like three times before out if the like 20 times I tried, and if people think the Captcha is hard enough, then looks like PMC will require you to divide by zero. I agree with crzy. Let's just remove too voter if people are a using the exploit because I knew that not everyone wholeheartedly voted, but I didn't think it was so bad as losing 86 out of 100 votes. And I will admit I haven't voted in forever. I haven't used the exploit, not have voted at all.

Salsa I love you.... Not so much for your opinion.... But after reading this entire waste of a forum post. (Its just 3 pages of bickering....) you were the only one to call it a captcha.. Not a caption... Or a capture... But a captcha... So congrats u win the "not a dumbass" award....

we already knew the majority of people don't vote... I said the same thing like 4 months ago..

diamonds are worthless, everyone lies, and the chance of getting top voter competing with pretend voters is non-existent.

IMO removed the prizes, leave the ability to vote... And those that want to help out the server will still do so cuz it sure as hell isn't for for useless diamonds or to get donation rewards without actually donating....
Title: Re: Voting needs to be discussed
Post by: Wyboth on March 02, 2013, 05:00:10 pm
Well, if my poll ever gets unlocked, we'll get to see if voting on these websites even works. I think that maybe one or two people came to Opticraft from a top server website and stayed. If that's the case, voting is a waste of time and is basically free money. If not, then it can be kept and maybe have votifier added.

Edit: I accidentally voted yes on my own poll, so I reset the votes. There was only 1 other vote, so please re-vote.
If vote sites dont work, i challenge you to figure out how we had 70 players on the first day we launched the 1.0 server. Our 1.8 server had 20 players max on at a time, the only difference being that we advertised the 1.0 server.

By the way, i feel kind of bad that you have so little faith in humanity.
By "recruited players", I meant players who came from those websites and stayed for a reasonable amount of time. I'll bet that most of those players stayed for one or two days, and said, "Oh, this is such a great server! Kthxbai." Sadly, there's no way to test this, since a lot of these players may have left by now, so it just comes down to opinion.

Also, it isn't that I don't have faith in humans. I should have said "my current view of human nature doesn't allow this." I've already stated my reasons, so I won't repeat myself here.

Edit: Although there's no way to prove this, I don't think a voting bot exists. Probably the 12 a.m. people keep backspacing then typing the last letter of their name until they can vote. I searched for a voting bot, and returned 0 results. However, it would be very easy to program one in javascript. It may exist and be passed around by e-mail, but there is no evidence of that. I just think they're retyping their name, as I said before.
Title: Re: Voting needs to be discussed
Post by: Nick3306 on March 02, 2013, 05:15:39 pm
Well, if my poll ever gets unlocked, we'll get to see if voting on these websites even works. I think that maybe one or two people came to Opticraft from a top server website and stayed. If that's the case, voting is a waste of time and is basically free money. If not, then it can be kept and maybe have votifier added.

Edit: I accidentally voted yes on my own poll, so I reset the votes. There was only 1 other vote, so please re-vote.
If vote sites dont work, i challenge you to figure out how we had 70 players on the first day we launched the 1.0 server. Our 1.8 server had 20 players max on at a time, the only difference being that we advertised the 1.0 server.

By the way, i feel kind of bad that you have so little faith in humanity.
By "recruited players", I meant players who came from those websites and stayed for a reasonable amount of time. I'll bet that most of those players stayed for one or two days, and said, "Oh, this is such a great server! Kthxbai." Sadly, there's no way to test this, since a lot of these players may have left by now, so it just comes down to opinion.
That still doesn't explain how we have so many people on the server now. People dont randomly type in smp.opticraft.net they had to have seen the server advertised somewhere. I dont get exactly how you came to the conclusion that voting sites dont work very well. If anything, our server proves they can be quite useful.
Title: Re: Voting needs to be discussed
Post by: ☣2crzy4uall☣ on March 02, 2013, 06:35:10 pm
Not sure who locked this, but to conclude my point. Top Voter should be removed, there is no reason to reward people who arent doing anything but taking from the server. Didn't mean for this to be an argument, simply wanted ideas on how to fix this.
Title: Re: Voting needs to be discussed
Post by: Wyboth on March 02, 2013, 06:37:17 pm
I agree, there is no point in having top voter unless the glitch is fixed.
Title: Re: Voting needs to be discussed
Post by: Nick3306 on March 02, 2013, 07:31:12 pm
I agree, there is no point in having top voter unless the glitch is fixed.
There is because people still do actually vote to get top voter. If you take out top voter the ones that do vote may not be inclined to vote since there is no reward. Taking out top voter does no good.
Title: Re: Voting needs to be discussed
Post by: 2468avc on March 02, 2013, 07:52:17 pm
I agree, there is no point in having top voter unless the glitch is fixed.
There is because people still do actually vote to get top voter. If you take out top voter the ones that do vote may not be inclined to vote since there is no reward. Taking out top voter does no good.

I think that if there is no incentive, even less people will vote. I mean, diamonds aren't that great but at least they're something.
Title: Re: Voting needs to be discussed
Post by: ☣2crzy4uall☣ on March 02, 2013, 08:49:41 pm
I agree, there is no point in having top voter unless the glitch is fixed.
There is because people still do actually vote to get top voter. If you take out top voter the ones that do vote may not be inclined to vote since there is no reward. Taking out top voter does no good.

That's a good point actually. I just hate feeling ripped off.
Title: Re: Voting needs to be discussed
Post by: Chief149 on March 02, 2013, 09:12:03 pm
Doesn't votifier verify that a vote on a certain site has been made?
Title: Re: Voting needs to be discussed
Post by: hammysandwhich on March 02, 2013, 09:16:08 pm
I used to play on another server, which had more voting sites.  I'm not sure if you had to pay to get your server on those sites though.  I can also check out what sites they are too, if need be.  But I was thinking, maybe opticraft goes on more voting sites? Maybe? Because the one I was just talking about had like 10 possible voting sites.  That's just a suggestion..

But it is quite sad to see opticrafters abusing the voting system!
Title: Re: Voting needs to be discussed
Post by: optical on March 02, 2013, 09:30:19 pm
Here are the stats for how people arrived on the website, for those doubting we need voting.

http://i.imgur.com/ZsETXp9.png
http://i.imgur.com/N2HQo7X.png
Title: Re: Voting needs to be discussed
Post by: ☣2crzy4uall☣ on March 02, 2013, 09:34:55 pm
Yeah, xtremetop is how I found us.
Title: Re: Voting needs to be discussed
Post by: bubblekiller on March 02, 2013, 09:37:31 pm
Voting for diamonds are rather useless if you have been here a while like I have, I still do vote and do the captiions if im not bussy but tbh voting takes forever, the tekkit server I play on has a picture and u just check the box with the right word, instead of a hard to see and read caption, just an idea
Title: Re: Voting needs to be discussed
Post by: Wratkie on March 02, 2013, 10:09:26 pm
Voting for diamonds are rather useless if you have been here a while like I have, I still do vote and do the captiions if im not bussy but tbh voting takes forever, the tekkit server I play on has a picture and u just check the box with the right word, instead of a hard to see and read caption, just an idea
One of the sites we use has that, but its not up to us what they use.

Not only are exploiters taking diamonds from the servers the top voters that aren't legit are stealing real money from Optical In a sense.
Title: Re: Voting needs to be discussed
Post by: Chief149 on March 02, 2013, 10:22:50 pm
Why don't we just use votifier? Doesn't it confirm votes with the voting sites?
Title: Re: Voting needs to be discussed
Post by: hammysandwhich on March 02, 2013, 11:10:14 pm
Suggestion one:

I was playing this other server the other day (don't like it) but it had a good system, making you want to vote more, see there is this voting jackpot, they used a currency called credits, so you get 3 credits for voting but, very rarely there is a voting jackpot where instead of getting 3 credits you get 64 or something.

So I was thinking, maybe we could use this? Instead of 3 diamonds very rarely someone could hit the jackpot and get 10 or 30 diamonds, something like that, to increase the amount of voting.

But the only problem I see to this is the players abusing it... I do think the votifier thing should be added though, it will limit the amount of abusers.

Suggestion two:

Have more voting sites, since what optical and nick said before, we get a large s,isn't of our users coming from the voting sites.

Thanks for reading,

Hammy
Title: Re: Voting needs to be discussed
Post by: ☣2crzy4uall☣ on March 02, 2013, 11:13:58 pm
We need something like votifier, but they arent supported by our vote sites.
Title: Re: Voting needs to be discussed
Post by: iGenerator on March 03, 2013, 03:05:56 am
I see votifier was enabled on two of the four sites
Title: Re: Voting needs to be discussed
Post by: Holy_Moses on March 03, 2013, 03:50:54 am
And PMC supports votifier. Just sayin'
Title: Re: Voting needs to be discussed
Post by: SalsaInABowl on March 03, 2013, 06:36:18 pm
I found us on Minecraftserverslist.net or something like that z
Title: Re: Voting needs to be discussed
Post by: Wyboth on March 03, 2013, 09:48:48 pm
Here are the stats for how people arrived on the website, for those doubting we need voting.

http://i.imgur.com/ZsETXp9.png
http://i.imgur.com/N2HQo7X.png
Thanks for the info; I retract my previous statement.

Suggestion one:

I was playing this other server the other day (don't like it) but it had a good system, making you want to vote more, see there is this voting jackpot, they used a currency called credits, so you get 3 credits for voting but, very rarely there is a voting jackpot where instead of getting 3 credits you get 64 or something.

So I was thinking, maybe we could use this? Instead of 3 diamonds very rarely someone could hit the jackpot and get 10 or 30 diamonds, something like that, to increase the amount of voting.

But the only problem I see to this is the players abusing it... I do think the votifier thing should be added though, it will limit the amount of abusers.

Suggestion two:

Have more voting sites, since what optical and nick said before, we get a large s,isn't of our users coming from the voting sites.

Thanks for reading,

Hammy

I don't quite get how this works. They get the credits for voting, but when there's a jackpot everyone gets more credits? Or you put your credits into the lottery and the jackpot winner gets money? Please explain more.
Title: Re: Voting needs to be discussed
Post by: hammysandwhich on March 04, 2013, 06:58:50 am
In response to your questions wyboth:

1.  The server is a CTF (Capture The Flag) and credits it a currency, just like our dollars and cents on opticraft.  Credits are used to buy kits, weapons and foods.

2.  When there is a jackpot only one player wins it, and no, you vote.  Voting is like your ticket to the jackpot.  So it encourages player to vote.  So you get your 'credits' for voting and that counts as your ticket for the jackpot.

Not sure if I have explained in enough detail, if you want to know more, just message me via the forums.
Also side note:  I'm sorry if this sounds like advertising or anything like that.
Title: Re: Voting needs to be discussed
Post by: Wyboth on March 04, 2013, 12:06:05 pm
In response to your questions wyboth:

1.  The server is a CTF (Capture The Flag) and credits it a currency, just like our dollars and cents on opticraft.  Credits are used to buy kits, weapons and foods.

2.  When there is a jackpot only one player wins it, and no, you vote.  Voting is like your ticket to the jackpot.  So it encourages player to vote.  So you get your 'credits' for voting and that counts as your ticket for the jackpot.

Not sure if I have explained in enough detail, if you want to know more, just message me via the forums.
Also side note:  I'm sorry if this sounds like advertising or anything like that.
:D
Ben, why is your post only a smiley face?

Thanks, hammy. I understand enough about it.
Title: Re: Voting needs to be discussed
Post by: Chief149 on March 08, 2013, 04:15:14 am
I think this idea would be a better revision of hammy's proposal:

There is a voting lottery. Every vote gives you 1 diamond + 1 entry into the lottery. Then, just like in the server lottery, the computer/webserver/whatever entity runs the voting system, will choose three people in order from 1st place to 3rd place. Those three people are our 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place top voters that get the monthly reward.
Title: Re: Voting needs to be discussed
Post by: Spyow on March 08, 2013, 09:44:38 pm
I think this idea would be a better revision of hammy's proposal:

There is a voting lottery. Every vote gives you 1 diamond + 1 entry into the lottery. Then, just like in the server lottery, the computer/webserver/whatever entity runs the voting system, will choose three people in order from 1st place to 3rd place. Those three people are our 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place top voters that get the monthly reward.
Top voter is a reward for top voters, not for someone that votes once and wins.
Title: Re: Voting needs to be discussed
Post by: SalsaInABowl on March 08, 2013, 11:12:50 pm
I think this idea would be a better revision of hammy's proposal:

There is a voting lottery. Every vote gives you 1 diamond + 1 entry into the lottery. Then, just like in the server lottery, the computer/webserver/whatever entity runs the voting system, will choose three people in order from 1st place to 3rd place. Those three people are our 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place top voters that get the monthly reward.
Top voter is a reward for top voters, not for someone that votes once and wins.

I don't think you realize the point of this topic. It's not about people not voting, it's about people being dishonest and only clicking the vote on our website
Title: Re: Voting needs to be discussed
Post by: gavin1928374655 on March 08, 2013, 11:34:41 pm
Wait there is a caption we have to fill out? sorry only had time to read the first page of this thread
Title: Re: Voting needs to be discussed
Post by: ☣2crzy4uall☣ on March 09, 2013, 03:29:47 am
Wait there is a caption we have to fill out? sorry only had time to read the first page of this thread

Captcha* Yes on every single window that pops up, your vote doesn't actually count until it's entered. Also Optical has said that we are looking into implementing Votifier. Sooooo I'ma lock this.

When Voting for the server, you must fill out the Captcha on the website, otherwise your vote means nothing

We're looking at integrating votifier at the moment.