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Lay down some better guidlines to get trusted

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TarynMai:

--- Quote from: DJAlphaWolf on March 25, 2012, 08:40:21 pm ---I see. It kind of reminds me of some of our older operator/moderator applications. Some people have asked the admins why they were rejected and the admins would respond why (not online enough or other reasons). Of course, the answers mods would give to people when they ask "why can't I be trusted" will also cause some kind of chaos. People will begin to argue that they have completely "qualified for a guideline....been playing for a long time...helped others...but all for nothing?". People have to learn to understand that the rank is only for the server's most trusted players. If they are helpful, they are not just being helpful because they want to get the trusted rank, but it must be of their own choice. Trusteds are role models in the Opticraft community: people who are mature, follow the rules, never grief, and love to help everyone out. Although it is a rank, we should not consider it to be one. Rather, it is a privileged title to those most deserving of being "a trusted member" of the community. It is a rank you "shouldn't expect to receive", meaning you'll get it at any random time, when the staff feel you are ready. Some trusteds have gotten their rank within hours, while some have gotten it within months. It all depends on the person and how well our staff perceives them.

Like I said earlier, mumble is a great way to get trusted, for those "deeply concerned" about it. Just being on mumble and meeting all the players, mods and even the admins sometimes, helps everyone see what kind of person you are.

This is all just my opinion, though.

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^ Couldn't have said it better.

cschurz:
in my opinion:

the "trusted" thing worked well when we had maybe 30 players online at a time. It is no longer an acceptable solution to water buckets, and it's not necessary to differentiate choice members by giving them a different color name in chat.

Now, it's simply not a fair system that only provokes incessant questions from guests, indirectly promotes favoritism, and gives admins just another thing to worry about.

It's not a simple problem to solve, and we certainly can't just globally allow members to use water buckets (grief!), but the Trusted system simply needs to be revised / removed entirely.

Maybe it's possible to have water not break redstone, or make logblock able to undo water-broken objects. Then it may be acceptable to allow water buckets - perhaps removing them from the market, even.

Skible84:
The revision part is pretty much the main thing I'm referring to. At least have a productive discussion about it instead of one person saying no and that being the end of it. The ideas I'm throwing out there are just ideas to get people thinking. In my opinion revision is probably the best route since as dejected pointed out you can't just give the water use to every member. There are too many players for Mods/Op's/Admins to fairly manage the current trusted system.

Even if every Admin/Op/Mod doesn't agree at least listen to the people who play on the server we can see problems from a different perspective sometimes. I'm not saying the general players are always right but sometimes they are so they should not be dismissed so quickly. If a better system were in place or at least some compromises made I believe it would quiet enough complaints to make a difference.   

ryans1230:
I was on the server Saturday night, and about every 5 minutes, a person would ask on how to become trusted, and Sinnikin explained it every time.

I do agree that the guidelines are a bit vague on how to become a Trusted Member, but I also think that more members should become trusted, and that there should be another rank so that all the new trusted don't spam the Moderator Applications

clawstrider:
The whole trusted system just isn't working. Maybe it once worked, but now, apart from water, being trusted = getting your grief/whatever you need from the mod fixed/done faster.

As a member, most of the time I try to talk to my friends, I am ignored as normal members just can't be heard.

In total, I think this whole server needs a massive re-think. The current set up is perfect for a smaller server, the type we had before all the voting came in, with 30ish players on max.
Now, you just can't hear anything, the server is filled with a wall of grey and white spam, and is just overall hard to talk on.

I can't say I have the answer for how to fix trusted, and talking, and everything that goes with it, but playing on a server filled with walls of monotone members' spam just doesn't work anymore.

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