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D00MKNlGHT:
lemme give a very simple example. assuming 1.9 comes out, u are the first person in the server and u built huge buildings all around the spawn. then u ask opticalz or an admin to zone the whole area cause u built in it. now all the other players will have to walk past the spawn, then walk past ur giant builds, then find a space that have not been zone.
There is a high possibility that some people may randomly build castles around the spawn, but not dig underneath. and then they will ask the entire area to be zone, hence claiming huge chunks. I m not really against reserving, but with reserving are you trying to tell other people that if you didn't zone out your land, getting grief is your own fault?
Simplest suggestion limit the amount of reservation for players, also limit the size of reservation. If the players build outside their reserve then it is at their own risk.
clawstrider:
--- Quote from: optical on September 27, 2011, 03:35:51 am ---If you don't reserve to bedrock, you cannot have a basement or anything below ground. If you can suggest something more adequate, feel free to.
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Its perfectly reasonable to zone to the lowest part of the basements. I don't know many basements that go to bedrock ;)
Nick3306:
--- Quote from: optical on September 27, 2011, 03:35:51 am ---If you don't reserve to bedrock, you cannot have a basement or anything below ground. If you can suggest something more adequate, feel free to.
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Is there no way to reserve like 20 blocks underground? Plus, if the first level is zoned they shouldn't be able to get into the basement anyways unless they tunnel in which is quite a bit of work to just grief.
DeVil.DeMonde:
--- Quote from: D00MKNlGHT on September 27, 2011, 05:10:18 am --- lemme give a very simple example. assuming 1.9 comes out, u are the first person in the server and u built huge buildings all around the spawn. then u ask opticalz or an admin to zone the whole area cause u built in it. now all the other players will have to walk past the spawn, then walk past ur giant builds, then find a space that have not been zone.
There is a high possibility that some people may randomly build castles around the spawn, but not dig underneath. and then they will ask the entire area to be zone, hence claiming huge chunks. I m not really against reserving, but with reserving are you trying to tell other people that if you didn't zone out your land, getting grief is your own fault?
Simplest suggestion limit the amount of reservation for players, also limit the size of reservation. If the players build outside their reserve then it is at their own risk.
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The first step there is incorrect, the player uses a wooden axe to create the bounding box. Then uses /commands to create their own residence. Each block costs a certain amount of credits to protect. Each player has a limit to how large the bounding box van be. If either of these values are exceeded the residence is not created. You last sentence is on track with exactly what we are talking about.
--- Quote from: clawstrider on September 27, 2011, 08:23:56 am ---
--- Quote from: optical on September 27, 2011, 03:35:51 am ---If you don't reserve to bedrock, you cannot have a basement or anything below ground. If you can suggest something more adequate, feel free to.
--- End quote ---
Its perfectly reasonable to zone to the lowest part of the basements. I don't know many basements that go to bedrock ;)
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You've never seen my basements on an SMP server. Or many other people's either. :)
--- Quote from: Nick3306 on September 27, 2011, 12:18:39 pm ---
--- Quote from: optical on September 27, 2011, 03:35:51 am ---If you don't reserve to bedrock, you cannot have a basement or anything below ground. If you can suggest something more adequate, feel free to.
--- End quote ---
Is there no way to reserve like 20 blocks underground? Plus, if the first level is zoned they shouldn't be able to get into the basement anyways unless they tunnel in which is quite a bit of work to just grief.
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Yes, there is, but I will not be giving any of the commands here just yet.
That's exactly what we're talking about, it has happened to me personally, more than once, not to grief my home but to mine every possible mineral underneath it.
Also just for the record I just had a player on this very bets server randomly pop into my house like it was nothing special and proceed to run down my mineshaft where I was like he owned the joint. I was none too pleased as he never even bothered to ask. this is exactly the kind of thing residence prevents. I blocked him into a corner, asked him what he was doing in my home, to which he replied "spawning" (whatever that meant) and I seriously contemplated dumping him into the lake of lava under our feet Spleef style. Instead I asked him to leave and informed him the next time he wanted to visit somebody's house it would be polite to ask them first. Next time I might not be so nice.
**Side note for a PVP arena a spleef arena might be just the ticket. Now you're having fun with science... and lava! *dig dig dig dig*
Muhnator:
Thank you Opti for understanding my conserns
And Thank you Devil for having the typing skill i so obviusly lack.
Im gona try 1 last time to make my point in this tread, since i honestly feel a bit silly posting here, when there are ppl (Devil) that put so mutch more efford into it, and obviusly has alot more knowledge then me..
The things that allow a person to make great stuff in beta is his mine. Both building materials, and ores comes from this mine. Ive done the huge mistake (in heinsight) to invite struggeling ppl into my mine, to give em an idea of how to make a proffitable mine.
Few has listend (Turtle you fecking rock now, and im happy to se you pwn the game), but ive caught other just breaking into my mine when im not looking.. (not gona go there again, since they spam this tread with useless comments)
I said in a small discussion we had on the server last night "i care less about my buildings then my mine" ppl, did not understand this comment..
My mine is what allows me to build what i do.. If my mine is compomised, my entire game is compromised.. And this is why i belive protection should go to the bedrock. Its not like the materials in the protected zone mines itself, i still have to got down and spend the time mining it.
The reason for the intrest in my mine is so big, is that i leave alot of ore behind (for a rainy day). Further more, i make test tunnels, were i leave all ores hanging in the tunnel, to get an idea of were in the ground im at.(yes there are pattens that make sence)
I invited the wrong ppl, and now i pay the price for it...
Beta is wast.. Most comments in here concerning problems about mining and running into other ppl's protected zones, are not thought tru, and imo is ppl that are fighting to keep the window open for exploiting..
It's up to the player , to find a spot that can be protected without interfeering with other ppl. This is why i traveld far far away from the spawn when i first joined the server. I knew i would take up a wast amount of space, an in respect of other playes i traveld to the border..
(Dont you think that i would like to have my HQ right next to the spawn, so that everyone that joins would see it ?. This is why i build, it feeds my ego, and im honest about it)
But i allways put respect of other ppl b4 that, and thats the reason my settlement is far from anything that was built when i first joined. (now its getting crowded)
Im only posting and suggesting to make what is imo the best way to run beta. Ive tried many other beta servers, and protection works fine, its only ppl that havent tried it, that still doubdt it (or ppl that want to be able to exploit, since they know it kills any form of grief or exploit permanently)
Im sorry about my sometimes rage'ish comments, but it makes me boil inside to see ppl that ive caught griefing, trying to trow this epic tread of balance, just to make sure they can exploit, and not even putting any efford into their comments.
English is my 3. language, and posting like this takes me ages, but i do it for Opticraft, and in the end, the entire comunity and myself.
Muhnator
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