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Nick3306:
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--- Quote from: Spartan on September 25, 2011, 08:42:28 pm ---@Optic
What about a pvp system? Where you could be able to turn your pvp on and off and fight people?
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Please dont hijack this topic. Post a new one.
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Yes, preferably the thread we already have on pvp.
DeVil.DeMonde:
I'll do my best to address each person's criticisms of the system one at a time.
--- Quote from: D00MKNlGHT on September 25, 2011, 01:02:36 pm ---Having too many ranks complicate things.
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You are correct having too many ranks can complicate things but no more so than having too many staff. Or worse staff who want to do their own thing not inline with the host or dev's ideas for the server. How does one decide how many ranks are too many? Guest, Registered, Regular, Trusted member, Donator, Guide, Admin, and Owner doesn't seem like to many to me. Each has a purpose, each is recognized for their own contributions, each has a growing level of responsibility. You can always trim away some ranks by removing say trusted and donator but it is my experience on multiple servers that not all staff should have the ability to do all things.
--- Quote from: D00MKNlGHT on September 25, 2011, 01:02:36 pm ---Plus will we still get interest if we dc halfway? Ppl dc very often.
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Nope, on for the whole 30 minutes or no interest, if set to 15 min then must be on for the whole 15 or no interest. If people have connection drops that prevent them from being connected for more than 30 minutes at a time it's suggested they fix the issue with their connection as this is not common in a reliable internet connection. If they have a timer or something they can let staff know and the time and percent of interest earned can be adjusted. I only posted what worked for my server.
--- Quote from: D00MKNlGHT on September 25, 2011, 01:02:36 pm ---I also suggested having a warp donation program.
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Having set amounts for donations tends to discourage people from donating. Having an open system where they choose and get perks for even donating an amount as low as $5 encourages it heavily. I've seen this in action. With my system they get nothing godly but don't get completely ignored for only having $5 to spare either.
--- Quote from: D00MKNlGHT on September 25, 2011, 01:02:36 pm ---And abt the shop it really makes things complicated can't we just use gold ingots to trade instead of the $ thingy.....the shop system can be made like the runescape grand exchange, where we can buy materials only if someone else is selling it, so as to prevent people from flooding the server with a certain item eg diamond, and reduce the value of diamond. I say this as people can donate then use the money to buy alot of diamonds and than start distributing for free, and then hard working miners will realize that their diamonds are worthless now.
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What you are talking about is a barter system. This is how an economy starts in a primitive culture. There are a few problems with it though which are as follows.
1. If a player doesn't have anything in which the trader wants no deal can be made and a player who desperately needs the materials goes away empty handed.
2. If you can only trade when people are online, what happens to the players who are on when very few others are? They walk away with nothing.
I understand your concerns, but what you are saying is actually not entirely possible in a free market economy. Primarily because diamonds are only ever present on a server in finite amounts. Secondly is if Player1 does try to low ball the economy a savvy business minded Player2 can go buy up Player1's reserves and resell for a significant profit Player1 is foolish. Basics of economics, buy low sell high.
I have no idea what you are talking about regarding "I say this as people can donate then use the money to buy alot of diamonds and than start distributing for free" Where did they get all this money, or who is selling diamonds so cheaply? Where did all the diamonds come from? Sounds like a high ranking staff member might need to investigate and maybe remove the source.
--- Quote from: D00MKNlGHT on September 25, 2011, 01:02:36 pm --- There should't be too many ranks, as it complicates things, and possibly discrimination may occur...
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LOL you've said that about 3 times in the same post, but I am curious where you think this discrimination would come from. As staff on many games and servers before I've always seen the best adopt a Zero tolerance policy on discrimination.
--- Quote from: D00MKNlGHT on September 25, 2011, 01:02:36 pm ---Nice effort for making a long post after joining opticraft forum for 4 days lol xP, how did u come to know about it?
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I'm not sure if that was meant in an offensive manner or not, but I will assume not. The post was made at the request of another player who told me optic would greatly value the experience and the feedback it provided.
The server I used to play on regularly (as a player mind you not staff) Tanked when the host through inexperience had inexperienced staff make a lot of new inexperienced staff. This ended up their personal playground and all the other players including donors left. With nobody playing and all the donors gone it was just a matter of time before it all collapsed like a house built of cards. One of the servers I staffed the host got tired of complaints but didn't know how to deal with them and opted to close the server versus listening to people cry. The other one even though I designed the server, the host and I clashed Idea wise so I opted to let him have his way and departed. I quit playing for a while and came back (4 days ago) to find the results I have already mentioned on my previous servers, and thus set out to find a new home.
Things I look for in a server are as follows: Friendly and helpful community with a mature foundation. Staff that doesn't just spawn whatever they want. A server where players have to actually work for what they want kind of like vanilla Minecraft(where all the fun is). And close geographic proximity (it said the server was in the US on Minecraft.net and I get decent ping).
--- Quote from: morten2ela on September 25, 2011, 01:05:07 pm ---An economy system would be good, but interest would only separate rich from poor players. When a player reach a certain amount of money, he could live of the rents, getting tens of thousands of $ each hour (what Optical meant by "explode").
Edit: D00m summed up what I think is the best system.
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Math question for you. At what amount of money would a player already have to have to earn $10,000 in interest every 30min at a 5% return? it's probably more than you think, and you have to question how that player received that much money so quickly in the first place. If it's through time spent on the server and work done, do they not deserve it?
What D00m described is a barter system. Barter systems encourage hoarding of goods and the exact type of separation you guys are so much against.
--- Quote from: Nick3306 on September 25, 2011, 03:48:46 pm ---I agree with morten that a gold based economy would be best, but to be honest, i have never really witnessed a money economy like the one suggested.
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See the above notes on a barter system.
A currency based economy is a beautiful thing to behold. Everybody can easily get and amass currency, not just the elite who know the best way to get gold or had a head start on the server.
Give it some thought, ask me more questions. Pick at different parts. I'm more than happy to answer and address any concerns. I will always do my best to do so fairly and impartially as possible as well.
Nick3306:
A gold standard system is not the same as a full on barter system because gold is not useful for anything else. Even with a currency system a barter system will still exist.
Muhnator:
Thanks Devil for posting this, after our conversation, i quickly realised that you had alot to offer to our comunity..
To be brutally honest, i dont understand half the stuff you are talking about (i can build, but i generally suck at computers) but i do agree on what i can grasp :)
I was going to post a tread myself, but after reading yours, i realize i dont have to..
I do wana state why i wantet to post myself..
Lately ive been griefed alot, not by guests, but by opticraft staff... After a week of this i exploded, same day we had the talk.
The thing i wana stress is WE NEED PROTECTION!!!
I dont have a problem with ppl not taking beta "serius".. thats their problem.. But this seem to lead to a total lack of respect for what others have created..
Ive heard comments like " i break into ppls houses and their mines to get into caves"
WTF ??? and this is from opticraft staff, i am truely horrified by comments like these..
Ive played on servers with protection, and this totallly solves the problem..
As i said, your tread goes way beyond what i have to offer in support to Opti, so thanks again for posting Devil, i allready have a great deal of respect for your attitude ingame, and in the forums.
See you inside
Muhnator
Nick3306:
What exactly do you mean by protection? If you are getting griefed by members lets us know and we will deal with those people.
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