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blueted12345:
So I voted "some of the changes", because some of them are obviously a big step forward and the way to go, however some in my opinion are moving so far away from "opticraft" that they should be seriously thought about.

1) Complete wipe of the server (all worlds will be available for download)
There's obviously countless hours put into these worlds; and just deleting them doesn't sound to me like a good option. The fun is exploring these worlds with your friends, not on singleplayer.

2) Simplification or removal of the economy system.
I think simplifying the economy would be good, making trading more focused on player to player, rather than player to market. I think the economy is one of the reasons why SMP gets boring, instead of having to go and do things in survival, there's pretty much everything at the market.

3) Addition of pvp modes
Personally, I like the idea of a free roaming pvp world. As well as giving you something to do, in my opinion it would amplify the excitment. If that's not possible then better pvp would be the next best option in my opinion. I feel like the arena pvp has been tried, and now, pretty much no one uses it - maybe due to it no being the best. Maybe have some sort of kit system? Whenever asking for PvP battles I usually get the response "don't have any armour". Another thing that i've seen been successfull on other servers is some sort of mini game. Eg. OITC arenas. However that could quite easily get boring quickly which is why I really think a full pvp world would be a good shout.

4)Addition of a player trading system
Something like /auc or chest shops that players can set up on there own, i've seen that work well on other servers.

5) Points system where players accumulate points for things like voting and doing everyday survival activities. These points can be used to buy protection or rare items.
This sounds like a really good idea to me. Actually getting points for playing and doing different things rather than just sitting at a farm. This would make actual survival minecraft have a purpose on Opti. Rather than economy being the main aim. Maybe have like a villager trading system where you can buy things with "OptiPoints" (Just as an example). This is one of the ideas that I really would support.

6) Change to a player defined protection field system
This wouldn't be the most important issue in my opinion; grief can be sorted by staff. But a player defined protection system could work in a pvp world as it gives a player some sort of safety space. However if the worlds are just going to stay as Non - Pvp, non-raiding this seems somewhat pointless to me.

So,
In Favour of:
 - Simplification or removal of the economy system.
- Addition of pvp modes
- Addition of a player trading system
- Points system where players accumulate points for things like voting and doing everyday survival activities. These points can be used to buy protection or rare items.

Not in favour of:
- Complete wipe of the server (all worlds will be available for download)

And the protection I really don't have an opinion on.
Thanks ~Ted

Roza:
with a player trading system replacing market I have concerns, what if no one else is on?  How will that work?  Some of the prices people have in their shops are crazy.  I prefer going to market what about limiting balances to a max amount?  I would really need more information on exactly how it work.

I would loose access to the ender farm I currently use if the end and the nether were regenerated, but I think its a necessary step with 1.9 as the new blocks are all there.

Every change and refresh has a cost, its a question of finding the right balance between cost vs benefit.

the cost of loosing all materials supplies, buildings, etc for a complete refresh will be paid by the active members, as an active member I don't think its worth it.  I don't want a complete refresh but I am willing to help out with other changes and open to discussion.

I also believe that you can do anything you want to change the server, even a refresh and it wont make a real difference unless you have a proper promotion plan in place.  What good are all the changes if no one knows?

Roza

codepmman:

--- Quote from: DeeKay on March 19, 2016, 07:18:33 am ---
--- Quote from: codepmman on March 18, 2016, 11:34:27 pm ---Also, kind of interested why only one operator was consulted when there are several that still play on the server regularly, and not to single him out, but generally this is a staff decision and from what I know, Deekay is not currently staff on SMP. As shown in the past, your rank on SMP does not carry over to Creative, and so Creative ranks should not carry over to SMP.

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I understand this was resolved privately and I'm not trying to spark another argument but merely get my own word in publicly on this topic and this topic alone.
My involvement behind the scenes was purely development related. It was simply my way of extending my assistance to Optical and everyone else, and discussing ways in which the development of the server would be impacted if these type of changes were to be put in place.

I understand you felt it was maybe unfair that others missed out on the discussion, people who probably deserve it more than I did. But I don't think my rank on SMP should dictate who/what I talk to/about, but instead my reputation as a whole.

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sorry to implement you in this deekay but i feel like the way this was announced to everyone before being announced privately was a poor decision i felt like more operators and mods should of been notified first so they could learn more and possibly help with the fall out instead of nick yourself tobs and alicia having to do damage control alone. we were not informed until much later of your role in this. i did not realise your level of technical understanding and your rank on the server in question made its weird to me that you were so involved when others of higher smp ranks were not made aware. This has nothing to do with who Deserves it more... nobody Deserves anything more... we are all here to play and have fun.  you deserve it because you offered to help. it is appreciated that you want to put time into the server and give back. This reference had everything to do with the format of the announcement. i would like to publicly say that people are feeling like i called them out in my post but i used them as examples.  i used deekay because my understanding of his roll was not correct, not with misinformation just lack of information, and i used nick to show that not everyone leaves the server because they grow bored. Nick had talked to a very select number of people and that was the impression he got.  I would also like to publicly thank Nick for allowing us to put our differences aside and have a meaningful conversation where we discussed some of the issues i presented. although we still do not see eye to eye on a lot of things we agree to disagree on them and as this is just an announcement of POSSIBLE changes we felt that the discussion needed to go no further. I am however glad to see that my MAJOR concerns with the whole nuke and pave idea are reflections of what opti himself disagrees with. which intern causes me to relax a little.

just a recap
I am STRONGLY OPPOSED to wiping old worlds off the server
I am in favour of a economy revamp but one in which a market is still available for those who wish to use it
I am in favour of PVP as long as it doesn't affect people on SMP who do not wish to participate
i am in favour of a world of warcraft style of player auction system (can be explained in more detail if needed)
i had misunderstandings due to lack of information presented in original post on things like the points system and how to get points

Again thanks to Nick for explaining things to me a little better and if there are further questions i would be more than happy to help field them!

Nick3306:
Well at this point, getting rid of the world's is off the table.

Cora:

--- Quote from: Roza on March 19, 2016, 01:04:14 pm ---I also believe that you can do anything you want to change the server, even a refresh and it wont make a real difference unless you have a proper promotion plan in place.  What good are all the changes if no one knows?

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I have to agree with this point made by Roza - and hope that more than just Optical are thinking about it. There really is no point in making any "improvements" if no one knows to come check them out.

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