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gavin1928374655:
Just a quick write up on what I think will be most important about the new server changes... the economy. 

The current market is set up in such a way that only those who already made money can see any benefit from it.  In order to buy one diamond protection stone you need to sell 22 stacks of iron ore.  Basically to get a minimal level of protection you must mine for 6+ hours.  This is a result of people abusing the market system to get rich or by afking ridiculously long amounts of time (not saying this is a bad thing as I obviously do/did it as well).

I agree with Hedge's point in that players should have the ability to set up shops.  We should not be pulling items out of thing air with the market, but the market should be a trading shop.  The server should have no official economy whatsoever, rather an official shopping district/area where players can put up shops.  If the shops are complained about they can be removed.  (Also to make sure this area isn't ugly players would only be able to stock chests/determine prices).  If players stop stocking a shop or an item deal is never used the shop could be removed.

Here is my full proposal in list form for easy reading:

* Players can request a shop in the official market district.
* Players control the prices and are in charge of making sure the shops are fully stocked.
* If a player stops stocking a shop they will be kicked out of the marketing district and charged a fee.
* There can be some "official" shops that do produce items automatically for some things like glass/wood/stone that are common building blocks are would require destroying a large amount of land to fully stock shops with.
* These shops can charge a wide variety of prices for 1 item, i.e. you have one "official" shop that sells 64 glass. What is 64 glass worth? It could be worth 16 wool perhaps, 16 iron ingots, 8 iron ore, 1 diamond... who knows! You could have all these prices used to buy 1 item.  So rather than having an "economy" you must earn one of the items that you need to buy something.
The main takeaway from my post is that the economy should not exist, but rather a market where items are traded based on their worth.  This could either be completely set up by the admins so all the prices are predetermined, or players could even be allowed to join in and sell items. 

FluffyPanda1111:
Plz! Don't change SMP! maybe we could just have two worlds! :D A new and old! Everyone can transfer from the two worlds! just some more land to live off of! I do think some of the changes like PVP might me fun! But plz DO NOT wipe the server clear!

codepmman:

--- Quote from: Nick3306 on March 18, 2016, 11:49:39 pm ---
--- Quote from: codepmman on March 18, 2016, 11:34:27 pm ---Breaking my silence!
Are you guys insane? Really and truly, if you implement this many changes then is it really still Opticraft? It's like if I handed you a lemon and tried to tell you "It's an orange!" The market and economy is half the reason Opticraft is bearable (explained later.) To integrate this points system is ridiculous. Not everyone wants to play little games or go on quests. Some people want to dig and build.
I may not play a bunch now, but I'm speaking up for those who may feel that speaking up might cost them their position within the community. I am worried about this as well, but I feel this needs to be said regardless of the repercussions. If I was to fully lose Opticraft I would be sad, but I could not watch you completely change the server and say nothing.
 Also, kind of interested why only one operator was consulted when there are several that still play on the server regularly, and not to single him out, but generally this is a staff decision and from what I know, Deekay is not currently staff on SMP. As shown in the past, your rank on SMP does not carry over to Creative, and so Creative ranks should not carry over to SMP. I understand this post is your sad attempt at asking people their opinion, but you really should talk to more SMP staff members before going public. Not to mention THE OWNER of the server has countless times expressed that he does not like these sorts of changes, and I'm sure if his opinion has changed at all, it is only because he grows weary of your constant badgering.
You seem to want to change Opticraft and turn it into something that it is not. You went and made a Creative server and decided that it would be cool to throw the Opticraft name on it... Does that make it Opticraft? You tried to make PvP, but that's not Opti either. You are now trying to make it more like a quest based server in that people would have to collect points for "rare blocks" or "protection" but that's still no Opticraft. People like this server because it is survival with a market, sans PvP... Simple. Now granted it needs some cleaning up but not a whole revamp.
Never really told anyone as to why I stopped playing. It's not because I was bored, it's because of you Nick, and your band of goons bringing up drama and always trying to change things. I quit because I grew up and didn't want to deal with cry babies. I know my opinion might not matter because I really don't play much any more, but as stated previously, I only stopped because of Nick and his lackeys.
To the people saying that they would like PvP, go to a PvP server. Nick got us to try PVP on Opticraft, and from what I hear it is almost never used. People saying they got bored because they had too much money? Start over! Don't rely on the market, get stuff manually! The problem is not with Opticraft, it is with the player. If you don't like it, don't play. If it's not your style, then sorry - but this is no reason to fundamentally change Opticraft as a whole.

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You post is very uninformed. Couple things.
1. Optical agreed to this without any pressure
2. You state " Not everyone wants to play little games or go on quests." but none of that will even be added showing that you dont even have a clue as to what you are talking about.
3. Staff is being consulted right now, this is consulting them. This is much easier then going around to every member and talking to them individually, this way everyone can voice their opinions here.
4. NOTHING gets done on this server without opticals approval, so your accusations that this is all somehow my doing (Even though we also have two admins) shows incredible bias and misunderstanding.
5. Your arguments fall flat because currently there are more yes votes than no, so clearly players feel the same way as we do.

Lastly, I would like to applaud you for showing great maturity in your post.

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1. Optical agreed to this without any pressure  (except years of constant badgering)
2. You state " Not everyone wants to play little games or go on quests." but none of that will even be added showing that you dont even have a clue as to what you are talking about.( i assumed "survival activities" meant quests my bad, and this type of belittling is part of the reason i stopped playing)
3. Staff is being consulted right now, this is consulting them. This is much easier then going around to every member and talking to them individually, this way everyone can voice their opinions here. (staff should be consulted before going public so issues can be hammered out hence why there are staff forums)
4. NOTHING gets done on this server without opticals approval, so your accusations that this is all somehow my doing (Even though we also have two admins) shows incredible bias and misunderstanding. (i will leave this alone but remember when poked enough some people will just roll over)
5. Your arguments fall flat because currently there are more yes votes than no, so clearly players feel the same way as we do. (again just voicing my opinion and now you are turning it into a competition, not to mention who is to say those votes are from active players... the people who still play play because they love it for what it is and may leave if you change it)

Lastly, I would like to applaud you for showing great maturity in your post. (thanks but i generally like to use my big people voice when talking formally)

TarynMai:

--- Quote from: FluffyPanda1111 on March 19, 2016, 12:01:55 am ---Plz! Don't change SMP! maybe we could just have two worlds! :D A new and old! Everyone can transfer from the two worlds! just some more land to live off of! I do think some of the changes like PVP might me fun! But plz DO NOT wipe the server clear!

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We have done that a few times actually, but it isn't just the worlds we were looking to remove, but resetting the economy and such as well. You're definitely allowed your opinion of not liking what we're thinking of doing, but I just wanted to clarify why that probably won't happen, it'd most likely be all or nothing.

Nick3306:

--- Quote from: codepmman on March 19, 2016, 12:03:49 am ---
--- Quote from: Nick3306 on March 18, 2016, 11:49:39 pm ---
--- Quote from: codepmman on March 18, 2016, 11:34:27 pm ---Breaking my silence!
Are you guys insane? Really and truly, if you implement this many changes then is it really still Opticraft? It's like if I handed you a lemon and tried to tell you "It's an orange!" The market and economy is half the reason Opticraft is bearable (explained later.) To integrate this points system is ridiculous. Not everyone wants to play little games or go on quests. Some people want to dig and build.
I may not play a bunch now, but I'm speaking up for those who may feel that speaking up might cost them their position within the community. I am worried about this as well, but I feel this needs to be said regardless of the repercussions. If I was to fully lose Opticraft I would be sad, but I could not watch you completely change the server and say nothing.
 Also, kind of interested why only one operator was consulted when there are several that still play on the server regularly, and not to single him out, but generally this is a staff decision and from what I know, Deekay is not currently staff on SMP. As shown in the past, your rank on SMP does not carry over to Creative, and so Creative ranks should not carry over to SMP. I understand this post is your sad attempt at asking people their opinion, but you really should talk to more SMP staff members before going public. Not to mention THE OWNER of the server has countless times expressed that he does not like these sorts of changes, and I'm sure if his opinion has changed at all, it is only because he grows weary of your constant badgering.
You seem to want to change Opticraft and turn it into something that it is not. You went and made a Creative server and decided that it would be cool to throw the Opticraft name on it... Does that make it Opticraft? You tried to make PvP, but that's not Opti either. You are now trying to make it more like a quest based server in that people would have to collect points for "rare blocks" or "protection" but that's still no Opticraft. People like this server because it is survival with a market, sans PvP... Simple. Now granted it needs some cleaning up but not a whole revamp.
Never really told anyone as to why I stopped playing. It's not because I was bored, it's because of you Nick, and your band of goons bringing up drama and always trying to change things. I quit because I grew up and didn't want to deal with cry babies. I know my opinion might not matter because I really don't play much any more, but as stated previously, I only stopped because of Nick and his lackeys.
To the people saying that they would like PvP, go to a PvP server. Nick got us to try PVP on Opticraft, and from what I hear it is almost never used. People saying they got bored because they had too much money? Start over! Don't rely on the market, get stuff manually! The problem is not with Opticraft, it is with the player. If you don't like it, don't play. If it's not your style, then sorry - but this is no reason to fundamentally change Opticraft as a whole.

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You post is very uninformed. Couple things.
1. Optical agreed to this without any pressure
2. You state " Not everyone wants to play little games or go on quests." but none of that will even be added showing that you dont even have a clue as to what you are talking about.
3. Staff is being consulted right now, this is consulting them. This is much easier then going around to every member and talking to them individually, this way everyone can voice their opinions here.
4. NOTHING gets done on this server without opticals approval, so your accusations that this is all somehow my doing (Even though we also have two admins) shows incredible bias and misunderstanding.
5. Your arguments fall flat because currently there are more yes votes than no, so clearly players feel the same way as we do.

Lastly, I would like to applaud you for showing great maturity in your post.

--- End quote ---
1. Optical agreed to this without any pressure  (except years of constant badgering)
2. You state " Not everyone wants to play little games or go on quests." but none of that will even be added showing that you dont even have a clue as to what you are talking about.( i assumed "survival activities" meant quests my bad, and this type of belittling is part of the reason i stopped playing)
3. Staff is being consulted right now, this is consulting them. This is much easier then going around to every member and talking to them individually, this way everyone can voice their opinions here. (staff should be consulted before going public so issues can be hammered out hence why there are staff forums)
4. NOTHING gets done on this server without opticals approval, so your accusations that this is all somehow my doing (Even though we also have two admins) shows incredible bias and misunderstanding. (i will leave this alone but remember when poked enough some people will just roll over)
5. Your arguments fall flat because currently there are more yes votes than no, so clearly players feel the same way as we do. (again just voicing my opinion and now you are turning it into a competition, not to mention who is to say those votes are from active players... the people who still play play because they love it for what it is and may leave if you change it)

Lastly, I would like to applaud you for showing great maturity in your post.

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1. We actually talked about it for a while and he said he is definitely in favor of this, but hey, if you want to keep lying to yourself, be my guest.
2. survival activities are like mining, farming, ect...
3. You act like staff is more important that the other players when thats not true. There really is no point in asking staff separately as everyones opinion matters the same.
4. see answer to 1
5. That's fine, I completely support your opinion, but there was no need to attack me with misinformation.

EDIT: Also, it doesn't matter if the players who voted are active or not, because the players who are not active may become active again because of this. All the players opinions matter.

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