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Lando_V:
--- Quote from: clawstrider on September 12, 2013, 09:33:19 am ---Let's keep this civilised.
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This ^
Felix:
I'm only going to comment on the responses by Lando_V on my previous post in this thread and only directly answer those points addressed to me and not the rest - I will try to keep my responses brief where possible and try not to bore everyone to death in the process - and of course mainly 'cos I cba with the responding to the rest of the post!
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--- Quote from: Felix_De_Kat on September 09, 2013, 03:17:04 pm ---Not only do they stretch the distance between the "haves" and "have-not's"
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--- Quote from: Lando_V ---You mean of course the distance between the "non-lazy" (those who actually build stuff including big farms) and the "lazy" (those who do not).
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No. I didn't mean that at all! "The haves" I was referring to are the majority of the longer term players ('cos the HAVE money) & "The have-nots" being the newer/younger/inexperienced members ('Cos they don't) of our community
It has absolutely nothing to do with being "lazy" or not. Have you forgotten how to 'play a game'? Games are for enjoyment and your level of enjoyment maybe completely different to mine, or indeed someone elses. Some people are happy to run around a field doing nothing all day long
--- Quote from: Lando_V ---Because contrary to real life it is actually possible in Minecraft for EVERYONE to be rich.
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Who cares? To quote a blocky version of King Leonidas.. "This is MINECRAFT!!"
--- Quote from: Felix_De_Kat on September 09, 2013, 03:17:04 pm ---...for very little effort...
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--- Quote from: Lando_V ---For making a good farm it is required to invest a LOT of time and effort!
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true, at the beginning, setting it up does take time, afterward.. ZERO effort!
--- Quote from: Lando_V ---Your remark is just as ridiculous as saying that building a navy base requires very little effort...
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in your opinion... but go on..
--- Quote from: Lando_V ---Have you ever tried to fill 27 cells with 4 pods each with at least 4 villagers each? That's 4x4x27=432 villagers minimum.
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No, but...
--- Quote from: Lando_V ---Yes that takes time and effort.
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ok.. but
--- Quote from: Lando_V ---Have you ever tried to mine 13 full double chests of obsidian? THAT's the equivalent of time and effort!
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ok, you lost me now... wtf has 13 double chests of obsidian have to do with (I'm presuming because of the maths lesson (4x4x27=432 villagers)) your iron farm? Ahhh, wait... ok, I gottcha... your gold farm.. ok... go on..
--- Quote from: Felix_De_Kat on September 09, 2013, 03:17:04 pm ---...they take up too much valuable space on the server and you've got to admit, they're pretty damn ugly too.
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--- Quote from: Lando_VI ---have to agree that most farms look damn ugly. It's a shame people don't invest a little bit more time to make them look good.
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of course..
--- Quote from: Lando_VI ---And yes they take a lot of space but valuable? I don't think so.
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I do, otherwise I wouldn't have said it..
--- Quote from: Lando_VI ---Most valuables have been stripped from the land, there aren't many goodies left to mine.
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So find somewhere that hasn't been... and strip that out
--- Quote from: Lando_VI ---Added to that, there are so many abandoned houses or half finished houses taking "valuable" space. THAT's the ugly stuff! It would be nice if crap like that would be removed.
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Have you spoken to any Staff members about the possibility of removing some of the abandoned structures?
--- Quote from: Lando_VI ---Or, if there is such a lack of space, why not just add extra land to the maps?
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Sorry, but didn't 'they' just do that?
--- Quote from: Lando_VI ---During the building of a big farm you don't earn money.
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You're doing it wrong then!
--- Quote from: Lando_VI ---And when the farm is ready the amount of money is not infinite. Even when you spend an infinite (24/7 ? ) amount of time afk-ing (which no one has the time for) a farm produces only a certain amount of items per hour. So "infinite money" does not exist, no matter how big the farm is.
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eh? Yes you can have "infinate" money. As long as your balance remains above zero..
--- Quote from: Lando_VI ---And as I said earlier, trying to sell to others isn't nearly as effective, even with a big price difference. People just won't buy all your stuff.
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But people DO buy your "stuff".. I have made more sales in both gold and iron over the past few days than I have ever sold to the market... (which isn't hard, I've never sold ANYTHING to the market, ever!)
--- Quote from: Lando_VI ---- I enjoy playing on this server very much!
- I try to help other players, try to teach them how the game works and I still learn stuff myself.
- I don't buy from anyone, I don't sell to anyone, I'm completely selfsupporting (that means mining every block I use myself).
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Cool, me too (ok, maybe not completely self-supporting, I try to cheat my way through and donate for my in-game money so I can buy blocks)!
--- Quote from: Lando_VI ---- I think the economy on this server is a joke.
- As long as there is a market, the term "survival" is a joke.
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Eughhh... you were doing so well... Do you mean that you love the server, but I hate it at the same time?
--- Quote from: Lando_VI ---- The minigame /baltop, which a lot of people like a lot, will become a joke from the moment iron and gold are removed without wiping /baltop for a new start.
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Pretty sure you'll find that most of us already think that "/baltop" IS a joke, hence the removal of pumpkins & Melons and now the increased need for even more valuable items such as Gold & Iron
--- Quote from: Lando_VI ---So in short; The best way to deal with the current problem is to remove the market entirely, making this a true survival server. It would solve everything instantly but a lot of people would be very disappointed.
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LOL, I knew that was coming after the bit above - It would not be beneficial to the players who have donated (like me) to have our balances zeroed because people will always try to find a way (round the system) to make more and more money..
--- Quote from: Lando_VI ---The current solution of removing iron and gold is a terrible solution that doesn't realy solve anything and only causes disappointment among a specific group that deserves to be disappointed the least of all players!
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Wait, what? Why exactly do 'they', the people that have iron/gold farms deserve less disappointment than someone who doesn't?
--- Quote from: Lando_VI ---If the afk-ing is a thorn in peoples eyes then we should attack that problem specifically. We must focus on how to solve that instead of using other harsh measures.
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Yes! I agree. Connect a system up to their computers that as soon as they go afk, they get burnt with a drop of acid. Joking aside; The afk kicker has been put in place, but people, for whatever reason, probably because they (some people) just don't know how to 'play fair', or maybe they find it impossible to join in with the community and just want to stand there (or pay someone else to stand there and afk) so at the end of the day they can say "Look at me. I'M RICH" with their fake Minecraft money.. Who knows.. I wouldn't know, I only go afk for food/comfort breaks/or when I fall asleep at 5am at my desk.
So, to sum up - In MY opinion, Economy is there for a little bit of extra fun - Don't take everything so serious, it's just a game (again; To quote a blocky version of King Leonidas.. "This is MINECRAFT!!")
Holy_Moses:
--- Quote from: Chief149 on September 12, 2013, 05:53:48 am ---Nick set us up
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Cute, but he really didn't. We (aka staff/"the problem") litteraly watched as dozens of you built ridiculous, ugly, fun-ruining, golem-murdering farms to make money. Which basically made the whole point of the market go to complete shit. Idk the exact numbers but you know youd make hundreds upon thousands of dollars a day by making the iron farm just to brag about how your high you are on baltop. Which isnt the point of the game in the slightest bit.
Nick3306:
--- Quote from: Chief149 on September 12, 2013, 05:53:48 am ---I should add that those of us who spent a ton of hours and moneys making our farms did not set ourselves up for this. Rather, Nick set us up for this.
Ok, lets look at melons and pumpkins. They got out of hand. They were removed from the market...
Cacti... removed from market slightly before it got out of hand, but it was expected to get out of hand. Removed.
Hmm... What is the next farmable thing to move to... Sugarcane? Nah. Too cheap in the market. Only remaining thing is iron and gold. History showed that the farming of the other things were getting out of hand. Twice. So why were gold and iron ingots left in the marketplace when it was obvious that they'd be the next big farmed thing? We weren't setting ourselves up for this. The admins did. They waited until we put tons of effort into these farms, and now the items are being taken out of the market. This wouldn't be a big deal if iron and gold ingots were removed from the very start when it's obvious that people would move to farming them. And of course, this decisions so thinks of the player, right? Nah. More like the staff just doing what they want.
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This is funny because you say that I set you up for this, as if i knew the farms would get this big. We did not, you may be able to see into the future chief, but we cannot. Trust me, i've tried and failed every time.
Pugabyte:
I would like to ask:
Does anyone on opticraft use an iron farm but then spend the money they make from it on blocks to build cool stuff? Because if you do, you have our condolences. This is the last thing you needed. For everyone else, you had your fun, now get to building.
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