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Nick3306:
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--- Quote from: Nick3306 on July 26, 2013, 04:13:07 am ---Nate, its not about being open, its about being realistic. Most suggestions get shot down because they are either stupid, or are not feasible. Its easy to suggest we add something, but its much harder to add something.
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The following ideas are feasible, and not really "stupid" but that's kind of a personal opinion:
- jetpacks (donor item)
- mob spawn eggs (donation item)
- pvp
- allowing players to look up logblock info on a block (could reduce grief complaints if a player can look up a block to see if they, a friend of theirs, or an actual griefer placed/destroyed the block(s))
- protection flag for animals
- lava buckets for furnaces, but still can't place the lava
Pretty much all of the above were denied, or ignored to the point where everyone forgot about the idea's existence as the idea slowly got pushed to the bottom of the forums. Sure, there were downsides that were thought up of for the ideas, but a lot of those downsides were things that are likely to not become that big of an issue (click to show/hide)Example: supposedly there is a glitch allowing players to place lava in laggy server conditions, but is there really going to be that large of a problem with people placing lava to grief? Sure there might be the occasional /helpop for that, but it can be fixed, and things like fire/fire spread are turned off anyways. Personally I don't think it would become a big issue, but that's the main reason why the idea got shot down.
The above supports some of our claims that this server is a little closed-minded with new ideas. We just need ideas for improvement, and many of the ideas that were shot down could bring some improvement, and they can always be implemented as an idea in beta that could be taken back away at any moment should it turn out to be bad for real.
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Chief, out of everything you listed, pvp is the only worthwhile suggestion. And your example for lava is not a very good one, sure you think only a few helpop tickets isn't a big deal but you don't have to deal with the people that died in player placed lava and lost all their stuff.
Any donation item suggestion (like spawn eggs) was not shot down, its just the simple fact that opti controls the donation stuff and there is nothing we can do about it. I have stated that multiple times throughout those suggestion posts.
You can call the server close minded all you want and to an extent that is true, we only tend to add stuff we feel would be worth it.
bantam2:
--- Quote from: Tobs on July 26, 2013, 12:27:37 pm ---This has been on my mind for a while, and I guess it all goes back to the fact we need someone to make the things that the sever "needs", be it optical or cschurz- prehaps someone new, but optical would need to trust them we'd have to find someone first. If they are willing to knuckle down and work on improvements we would be able to get some new stuff, but as Nick said they need to be feasible and useful, with what little resources we have. We don't have an army of Devs and they don't have lots of time on their hands.
I'm in no way saying I don't want new stuff, as I'd really like some sort of Opticraft exclusive PvP or minigames to keep myself occupied when not doing anything, but it isn't as simple as dragging and dropping files and expecting it to work.
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This is spot on.
--- Quote from: Nick3306 on July 26, 2013, 04:13:07 am ---Nate, its not about being open, its about being realistic. Most suggestions get shot down because they are either stupid, or are not feasible. Its easy to suggest we add something, but its much harder to add something.
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Although it may be harder to add new aspects of gameplay, its that really a reason to just give up? I agree with you on the point that some suggestions might not be the best but some suggestions are possible. I'm also getting the feeling that some people, it may just be me, have had enough of the "we are working on it" response. Even as an Operator I got that response, and now I know how some of the non-staff members feel when it comes to these types of things. If we are a community, a server where now 50+ people to spend hours of their time daily playing, then I think that a straight answer would be nice.
It would be nice to find a dedicated, active developer although that will take even more time. Now does it have to be Optical's responsibility to look for developers? Probably not. It just comes down to two things, trust and effort.
Nick3306:
--- Quote from: bantam2 on July 27, 2013, 02:58:20 am ---
--- Quote from: Tobs on July 26, 2013, 12:27:37 pm ---This has been on my mind for a while, and I guess it all goes back to the fact we need someone to make the things that the sever "needs", be it optical or cschurz- prehaps someone new, but optical would need to trust them we'd have to find someone first. If they are willing to knuckle down and work on improvements we would be able to get some new stuff, but as Nick said they need to be feasible and useful, with what little resources we have. We don't have an army of Devs and they don't have lots of time on their hands.
I'm in no way saying I don't want new stuff, as I'd really like some sort of Opticraft exclusive PvP or minigames to keep myself occupied when not doing anything, but it isn't as simple as dragging and dropping files and expecting it to work.
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This is spot on.
--- Quote from: Nick3306 on July 26, 2013, 04:13:07 am ---Nate, its not about being open, its about being realistic. Most suggestions get shot down because they are either stupid, or are not feasible. Its easy to suggest we add something, but its much harder to add something.
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Although it may be harder to add new aspects of gameplay, its that really a reason to just give up? I agree with you on the point that some suggestions might not be the best but some suggestions are possible. I'm also getting the feeling that some people, it may just be me, have had enough of the "we are working on it" response. Even as an Operator I got that response, and now I know how some of the non-staff members feel when it comes to these types of things. If we are a community, a server where now 50+ people to spend hours of their time daily playing, then I think that a straight answer would be nice.
It would be nice to find a dedicated, active developer although that will take even more time. Now does it have to be Optical's responsibility to look for developers? Probably not. It just comes down to two things, trust and effort.
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Who said we gave up? You seem to think this we reject suggestions for no reason at all. You are completely ignoring how difficult it is to add things to the server that people want.
As for the "we are working on it" i'm not exactly sure what you are referring to. If you are referring to us not giving you straight answers on projects and stuff that is just the best way to do it. The last time we gave a straight answer was when they announced the PVP plugin was being developed, then look what happened, i had to deal with people asking me why we lied to them since it never got released. So for now I avoid those questions for different reasons. If we say we are working on it, we are working on it, not sure what you want us to say, if you want false hope i guess i can give it to you.
DeeKay:
But if Optical and Dejected had actually went through on the idea and released PvP, you wouldn't have to have lied to people with that post. It all comes back to needing developers that aren't busy, and that are actually dedicated to working on the server.
And I don't think saying "we're working on it" is a bad thing to say, like you said, when you are actually working on a feature.. you're working on it. But I think what people are over is getting told something is being worked on, but in reality it was dropped, and yet people are still being told the same thing. Take PvP for example, no one was ever told straight up that it was not being worked on anymore, the idea was just slowly left to die out.
That's just what I think.
Nick3306:
--- Quote from: xDeeKay on July 27, 2013, 03:49:04 am ---But if Optical and Dejected had actually went through on the idea and released PvP, you wouldn't have to have lied to people with that post. It all comes back to needing developers that aren't busy, and that are actually dedicated to working on the server.
And I don't think saying "we're working on it" is a bad thing to say, like you said, when you are actually working on a feature.. you're working on it. But I think what people are over is getting told something is being worked on, but in reality it was dropped, and yet people are still being told the same thing. Take PvP for example, no one was ever told straight up that it was not being worked on anymore, the idea was just slowly left to die out.
That's just what I think.
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But see these things are out of my control. Even I didn't know what was going on with the PVP plugin, i was never told really until long after they stopped working on it.
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