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Operator Application - Wyboth
mgfrake:
I don't know how all of you type so much.
On topic: kinda what henz said, just let the past be the past i mean, i dont fully support him YET but half of you havent seen if hes changed or not so dont post if you dont know.
Wyboth:
--- Quote from: UnknownHedgehog on September 21, 2012, 03:03:21 am ---Here's my view.
And this is just my opinion; Not trying to be a "hater" or "shit talker".
And I don't want to start an argument or anything, just giving my view.
To be honest, one month is not that long of a period of time compared to how long he's been around.
And, correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the majority of rejected op apps based on past actions?
I know that people can change.
But what strikes me is the sudden change of heart when he decided to apply for op.
How when he decided to go for op, he decided he's past all that.
I mean, it's a given that if you're gonna apply for op, you gotta make yourself look eligible for op.
But that should be based off a maturity that has been shown for a decent time compared to how long that person has been around.
Not that person is changing because he wants to be an op (And I've seen that a lot in op apps. Where somebody would point out an instance, and that person would be like "I'm working on that").
Idk, say what you want, but that's just my view.
--- End quote ---
That is a very good point, and I believe it warrants a response.
I know that it looks bad that I'm suddenly changing when I apply for op, indeed, I thought about it myself. The only thing I can really say about this is that for the past month, although I never said it, I wasn't being argumentative. It's not really that I've all of a sudden decided to be mature; I've been mature for the past month, but I've never pointed it out until now, when the topic came up. I heard you about how a month isn't long enough, but Nick3306 said that he wouldn't be making a decision on my app anytime soon, so hopefully between now and the time he decides will be long enough for you to see if I've truly changed or not. Another point that you made was that I might have changed only because I wanted the promotion and not because I'm really over it. If I may, I'd like to go a little bit into psychology. There are two ways a person can be motivated: internally and externally. An external motivation would be like what you just described: a person changes only so that they can get a reward. The other type is internal, which is where they themselves want to change, not just for some type of reward. This is what my motivation is. I'm not changing because I want to get op, I'm changing because I realize that I've hurt some people and I want to stop doing that. Yes, I am also externally motivated by the promotion, but that is not the main drive of why I've changed. I only decided to apply for op the night before I posted this app, so all of the change you saw in the past month was purely internal, which brings me to another point. Kursed said that it's human nature to change back to the way you were before. He's absolutely right in saying this - I've seen it happen over and over again. But usually the people who change back were what UH described: just being good to get the reward. Once they had it, it didn't matter to be good anymore, since they had gotten what they wanted. With op, it's a bit different because it can be taken away, but deep down they're the same. I can guarantee you that all of those people were externally motivated by the reward. They had no real reason to change, they just wanted the reward, and after that, it didn't matter. That's not how I am. Since I'm internally motivated, my desire to remain how I am now won't burn out after I get op (assuming I get it). Since I changed for a different reason, the promotion won't matter that much to me regarding my argumentativeness. I'll stay the way I am because I don't want to hurt people's feelings. So Kursed, you are absolutely right that it is human nature to change back - for those that are externally motivated. But I'm not that way, which is why I don't see myself changing back.
Kurseddragon:
--- Quote from: Wyboth on September 21, 2012, 11:35:14 am ---
--- Quote from: UnknownHedgehog on September 21, 2012, 03:03:21 am ---Here's my view.
And this is just my opinion; Not trying to be a "hater" or "shit talker".
And I don't want to start an argument or anything, just giving my view.
To be honest, one month is not that long of a period of time compared to how long he's been around.
And, correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the majority of rejected op apps based on past actions?
I know that people can change.
But what strikes me is the sudden change of heart when he decided to apply for op.
How when he decided to go for op, he decided he's past all that.
I mean, it's a given that if you're gonna apply for op, you gotta make yourself look eligible for op.
But that should be based off a maturity that has been shown for a decent time compared to how long that person has been around.
Not that person is changing because he wants to be an op (And I've seen that a lot in op apps. Where somebody would point out an instance, and that person would be like "I'm working on that").
Idk, say what you want, but that's just my view.
--- End quote ---
That is a very good point, and I believe it warrants a response.
I know that it looks bad that I'm suddenly changing when I apply for op, indeed, I thought about it myself. The only thing I can really say about this is that for the past month, although I never said it, I wasn't being argumentative. It's not really that I've all of a sudden decided to be mature; I've been mature for the past month, but I've never pointed it out until now, when the topic came up. I heard you about how a month isn't long enough, but Nick3306 said that he wouldn't be making a decision on my app anytime soon, so hopefully between now and the time he decides will be long enough for you to see if I've truly changed or not. Another point that you made was that I might have changed only because I wanted the promotion and not because I'm really over it. If I may, I'd like to go a little bit into psychology. There are two ways a person can be motivated: internally and externally. An external motivation would be like what you just described: a person changes only so that they can get a reward. The other type is internal, which is where they themselves want to change, not just for some type of reward. This is what my motivation is. I'm not changing because I want to get op, I'm changing because I realize that I've hurt some people and I want to stop doing that. Yes, I am also externally motivated by the promotion, but that is not the main drive of why I've changed. I only decided to apply for op the night before I posted this app, so all of the change you saw in the past month was purely internal, which brings me to another point. Kursed said that it's human nature to change back to the way you were before. He's absolutely right in saying this - I've seen it happen over and over again. But usually the people who change back were what UH described: just being good to get the reward. Once they had it, it didn't matter to be good anymore, since they had gotten what they wanted. With op, it's a bit different because it can be taken away, but deep down they're the same. I can guarantee you that all of those people were externally motivated by the reward. They had no real reason to change, they just wanted the reward, and after that, it didn't matter. That's not how I am. Since I'm internally motivated, my desire to remain how I am now won't burn out after I get op (assuming I get it). Since I changed for a different reason, the promotion won't matter that much to me regarding my argumentativeness. I'll stay the way I am because I don't want to hurt people's feelings. So Kursed, you are absolutely right that it is human nature to change back - for those that are externally motivated. But I'm not that way, which is why I don't see myself changing back.
--- End quote ---
I can vouch for your internal/external motivation making a difference since I went through an internal change in real life which I'm not gonna go into detail.
I'm not gonna lie, it's not that hard to go back without noticing. The funny part is there has to be something motivating you to motivate you, if that makes sense.
In this case, it'll either be "I wanna stop hurting people" for you, or "I wanna be an op" and honestly, none of us could know the truth 'cause it's an easy thing to hide.
Since Nick is gonna take a while before replying, we'll see how you can handle this type of situation over time.
If my opinion actually mattered, I'd say I don't support you yet due to a time issue, but since it really doesn't matter I'll just wish you good luck. That's all I'm gonna say.
zombieravemaster:
some support and others don't support :P but i wont choose to support or not to support, i will simple wish you luck wyboth
Wyboth:
If I ever do go back, someone can tell me that, and I'll snap out of it. I don't see myself going back anytime soon.
Motivating me to motivate me? Could you explain that better?
I would hope that people wouldn't distrust me so much as to think that I'm lying about all of this.
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