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Title: Kootra detained. Swatting
Post by: Holy_Moses on August 31, 2014, 05:16:02 pm
Couldnt help but laugh, basically a 15 year old called the cops on Kootra (A youtuber who i use to watch from) (https://www.youtube.com/user/kootra) and the whole thing backfired. now the 15 year old is serving 25 to life in federal prison on the account of domestic terrorism.

Kootra's Livestream when he is detained (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nz8yLIOb2pU)
If you don't understand why he is serving this much time. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0mNspjyl0U)

I think he deserves it, however it is his first offense and he is underage. I believe he should have known better.
Title: Re: Kootra detained. Swatting
Post by: Mr_Mr_Mr on August 31, 2014, 05:28:51 pm
Kootra's Livestream when he is detained (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nz8yLIOb2pU)
Holy shit, this video had 30k views when I saw it, now it's at 3.2 Million.
Title: Re: Kootra detained. Swatting
Post by: davioo on August 31, 2014, 06:43:07 pm
where did you read he's serving 25 to life?
Title: Re: Kootra detained. Swatting
Post by: Holy_Moses on August 31, 2014, 06:50:38 pm
There were dozens of links to news articles on facebook most of them said 25 to life for 2 counts of domestic terrorism
Title: Re: Kootra detained. Swatting
Post by: clawstrider on August 31, 2014, 07:00:41 pm
news articles
facebook

Choose one.

The only "news" I see on facebook is "Your life will never be the same when you read these 10 odd facts about goats!"
Title: Re: Kootra detained. Swatting
Post by: raul7legend on August 31, 2014, 07:25:02 pm
Counter-Terrorists win.
Title: Re: Kootra detained. Swatting
Post by: Wone on September 01, 2014, 10:47:36 am
Counter-Terrorists win.
+1

Quite ironic, as Kootra was playing on the Terrorist side when the shit went down.
Title: Re: Kootra detained. Swatting
Post by: FrostyStorms on September 01, 2014, 05:55:01 pm
yea first whiteboy now kootra... all live-streamers are at risk. if you watch the video you can see they're being waaaay too overly aggressive. Especially with a foot (steel toed boots) on kootras head. The officers should have saw that the man is a 20 y/o nerdy white guy playing video games. This is police brutality at the finest. Just my thought.

-FrostyStorms
Stay Frosty
Title: Re: Kootra detained. Swatting
Post by: Tobs on September 01, 2014, 06:07:28 pm
yea first whiteboy now kootra... all live-streamers are at risk. if you watch the video you can see they're being waaaay too overly aggressive. Especially with a foot (steel toed boots) on kootras head. The officers should have saw that the man is a 20 y/o nerdy white guy playing video games. This is police brutality at the finest. Just my thought.

-FrostyStorms
Stay Frosty

After reports of someone having a gun and already have killed people within the building, I think they acted appropriately.
Title: Re: Kootra detained. Swatting
Post by: Holy_Moses on September 01, 2014, 06:10:27 pm
yea first whiteboy now kootra... all live-streamers are at risk. if you watch the video you can see they're being waaaay too overly aggressive. Especially with a foot (steel toed boots) on kootras head. The officers should have saw that the man is a 20 y/o nerdy white guy playing video games. This is police brutality at the finest. Just my thought.

-FrostyStorms
Stay Frosty
Did you even bother to look at the second video? they had the whole area on lockdown. The police were told Kootra was a terrorist. I think they acted the way they should have.
Title: Re: Kootra detained. Swatting
Post by: FrostyStorms on September 01, 2014, 07:30:11 pm
yea first whiteboy now kootra... all live-streamers are at risk. if you watch the video you can see they're being waaaay too overly aggressive. Especially with a foot (steel toed boots) on kootras head. The officers should have saw that the man is a 20 y/o nerdy white guy playing video games. This is police brutality at the finest. Just my thought.

-FrostyStorms
Stay Frosty
Did you even bother to look at the second video? they had the whole area on lockdown. The police were told Kootra was a terrorist. I think they acted the way they should have.

However when they swatted him they should have used common scene and analysed the scene. But instead we have police in military gear (coming out of my 6 digit tax money) and wanna play dress up and act way to aggressive. Its ridiculous that you guys are agreeing with the police militia. But then again you guys are probably under 18 and don't understand this.
Title: Re: Kootra detained. Swatting
Post by: raul7legend on September 01, 2014, 07:42:35 pm
yea first whiteboy now kootra... all live-streamers are at risk. if you watch the video you can see they're being waaaay too overly aggressive. Especially with a foot (steel toed boots) on kootras head. The officers should have saw that the man is a 20 y/o nerdy white guy playing video games. This is police brutality at the finest. Just my thought.

-FrostyStorms
Stay Frosty
Did you even bother to look at the second video? they had the whole area on lockdown. The police were told Kootra was a terrorist. I think they acted the way they should have.

However when they swatted him they should have used common scene and analysed the scene. But instead we have police in military gear (coming out of my 6 digit tax money) and wanna play dress up and act way to aggressive. Its ridiculous that you guys are agreeing with the police militia. But then again you guys are probably under 18 and don't understand this.
Wow bro so edgy, be careful not to cut yourself.
Title: Re: Kootra detained. Swatting
Post by: TarynMai on September 01, 2014, 07:44:22 pm
yea first whiteboy now kootra... all live-streamers are at risk. if you watch the video you can see they're being waaaay too overly aggressive. Especially with a foot (steel toed boots) on kootras head. The officers should have saw that the man is a 20 y/o nerdy white guy playing video games. This is police brutality at the finest. Just my thought.

-FrostyStorms
Stay Frosty
Did you even bother to look at the second video? they had the whole area on lockdown. The police were told Kootra was a terrorist. I think they acted the way they should have.

However when they swatted him they should have used common scene and analysed the scene. But instead we have police in military gear (coming out of my 6 digit tax money) and wanna play dress up and act way to aggressive. Its ridiculous that you guys are agreeing with the police militia. But then again you guys are probably under 18 and don't understand this.
I didnt realize 18 was a magical number that allowed you to think clearly about things. Well then.
Title: Re: Kootra detained. Swatting
Post by: gameguy96 on September 01, 2014, 07:45:59 pm
yea first whiteboy now kootra... all live-streamers are at risk. if you watch the video you can see they're being waaaay too overly aggressive. Especially with a foot (steel toed boots) on kootras head. The officers should have saw that the man is a 20 y/o nerdy white guy playing video games. This is police brutality at the finest. Just my thought.

-FrostyStorms
Stay Frosty
Did you even bother to look at the second video? they had the whole area on lockdown. The police were told Kootra was a terrorist. I think they acted the way they should have.
However when they swatted him they should have used common scene and analysed the scene. But instead we have police in military gear (coming out of my 6 digit tax money) and wanna play dress up and act way to aggressive. Its ridiculous that you guys are agreeing with the police militia. But then again you guys are probably under 18 and don't understand this.
for one all the persons that poster were over 18.
and secondly. well it's a dodgy situation. seeing as looks don't matter for serial killers. i mean just look at john wayne gacy.
it's true he looked like a white nerd. but exterior does not always match the inside.
however they did act very agressive, wich is also not a good thing.

so it's kind of a personal view where you stand.
we can criticise all we want on the internet. but you can always say what should have been the right course of action in that situation in hindsight. they did what they did. be it rather violent. but for the same matter it would have been true.
Title: Re: Kootra detained. Swatting
Post by: Holy_Moses on September 01, 2014, 07:53:29 pm
yea first whiteboy now kootra... all live-streamers are at risk. if you watch the video you can see they're being waaaay too overly aggressive. Especially with a foot (steel toed boots) on kootras head. The officers should have saw that the man is a 20 y/o nerdy white guy playing video games. This is police brutality at the finest. Just my thought.

-FrostyStorms
Stay Frosty
Did you even bother to look at the second video? they had the whole area on lockdown. The police were told Kootra was a terrorist. I think they acted the way they should have.

However when they swatted him they should have used common scene and analysed the scene. But instead we have police in military gear (coming out of my 6 digit tax money) and wanna play dress up and act way to aggressive. Its ridiculous that you guys are agreeing with the police militia. But then again you guys are probably under 18 and don't understand this.
Lmao frosty. Im actually 20 and serve in the military. You seem to be one of those trendy folk who believes everything the media has to offer. They did act appropriately. This is obviously not routine. They had no clue what to expect. Sure they could have acted differently after seeing he was just playing a game.  I have many friends who are policemen and had to recently lock down areas of my city for drug trafficking reasons and they told me how sketchy this stuff can be. They are trained to be prepared for the worst case scenario. In this case they did, as if Kootra did shoot someone or whatever the kid called the cops for.
Title: Re: Kootra detained. Swatting
Post by: FrostyStorms on September 01, 2014, 09:35:01 pm
yea first whiteboy now kootra... all live-streamers are at risk. if you watch the video you can see they're being waaaay too overly aggressive. Especially with a foot (steel toed boots) on kootras head. The officers should have saw that the man is a 20 y/o nerdy white guy playing video games. This is police brutality at the finest. Just my thought.

-FrostyStorms
Stay Frosty
Did you even bother to look at the second video? they had the whole area on lockdown. The police were told Kootra was a terrorist. I think they acted the way they should have.

However when they swatted him they should have used common scene and analysed the scene. But instead we have police in military gear (coming out of my 6 digit tax money) and wanna play dress up and act way to aggressive. Its ridiculous that you guys are agreeing with the police militia. But then again you guys are probably under 18 and don't understand this.
Lmao frosty. Im actually 20 and serve in the military. You seem to be one of those trendy folk who believes everything the media has to offer. They did act appropriately. This is obviously not routine. They had no clue what to expect. Sure they could have acted differently after seeing he was just playing a game.  I have many friends who are policemen and had to recently lock down areas of my city for drug trafficking reasons and they told me how sketchy this stuff can be. They are trained to be prepared for the worst case scenario. In this case they did, as if Kootra did shoot someone or whatever the kid called the cops for.
im 24, well 18 is not a magical number... its just when your not dependent as much on your parents. Well this is a very opininated question. Its like argueing religion, theres no awnser. Im just going to stop posting, everyone is entitled in thier own opinion. And thank you for you service. (father ex airforce)

-FrostyStorms
Stay Frosty
Title: Re: Kootra detained. Swatting
Post by: iGenerator on September 01, 2014, 10:27:46 pm
Thought this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ziLjOPCQwg) was interesting
Title: Re: Kootra detained. Swatting
Post by: Nick3306 on September 02, 2014, 02:04:03 am
yea first whiteboy now kootra... all live-streamers are at risk. if you watch the video you can see they're being waaaay too overly aggressive. Especially with a foot (steel toed boots) on kootras head. The officers should have saw that the man is a 20 y/o nerdy white guy playing video games. This is police brutality at the finest. Just my thought.

-FrostyStorms
Stay Frosty
Did you even bother to look at the second video? they had the whole area on lockdown. The police were told Kootra was a terrorist. I think they acted the way they should have.

However when they swatted him they should have used common scene and analysed the scene. But instead we have police in military gear (coming out of my 6 digit tax money) and wanna play dress up and act way to aggressive. Its ridiculous that you guys are agreeing with the police militia. But then again you guys are probably under 18 and don't understand this.
Lol this whole "police state" and "police militia" nonsense makes me laugh a ton. That's basically something the media throws out to get ratings and kids pretend to agree with because being part of the counter culture is cool. You say people are too young to understand it well I offer the exact opposite view. As you get older you shake off the feeling of rebellion and realize how the world actually works. First responders to terrorist reports should be heavily armed and I wouldn't want it any other way.
Title: Re: Kootra detained. Swatting
Post by: DeeKay on September 02, 2014, 02:20:49 am
Frosty, don't come crying to us if one day you call the police and they take their time getting to you.
They're doing their damn job. Everyone has already done a good job explaining this. Try putting yourself in the situation of those around the area at the time. I'm sure if you were in the building and were being evacuated, you'd want things to be treated with seriousness.
Title: Re: Kootra detained. Swatting
Post by: SalsaInABowl on September 11, 2014, 04:29:02 am
On the police militarization topic:

Thanks. Google Stockton, California crime rates and tell me that's unnecessary.
Title: Re: Kootra detained. Swatting
Post by: 5OO on September 11, 2014, 09:27:14 pm
yea first whiteboy now kootra... all live-streamers are at risk. if you watch the video you can see they're being waaaay too overly aggressive. Especially with a foot (steel toed boots) on kootras head. The officers should have saw that the man is a 20 y/o nerdy white guy playing video games. This is police brutality at the finest. Just my thought.

-FrostyStorms
Stay Frosty
Did you even bother to look at the second video? they had the whole area on lockdown. The police were told Kootra was a terrorist. I think they acted the way they should have.

However when they swatted him they should have used common scene and analysed the scene. But instead we have police in military gear (coming out of my 6 digit tax money) and wanna play dress up and act way to aggressive. Its ridiculous that you guys are agreeing with the police militia. But then again you guys are probably under 18 and don't understand this.
I didnt realize 18 was a magical number that allowed you to think clearly about things. Well then.

The brain isn't fully developed until age 25.

Quote
According to recent findings, the human brain does not reach full maturity until at least the mid-20s. (See J. Giedd in References.) The specific changes that follow young adulthood are not yet well studied, but it is known that they involve increased myelination and continued adding and pruning of neurons. As a number of researchers have put it, "the rental car companies have it right." The brain isn't fully mature at 16, when we are allowed to drive, or at 18, when we are allowed to vote, or at 21, when we are allowed to drink, but closer to 25, when we are allowed to rent a car.

http://hrweb.mit.edu/worklife/youngadult/brain.html

yea first whiteboy now kootra... all live-streamers are at risk. if you watch the video you can see they're being waaaay too overly aggressive. Especially with a foot (steel toed boots) on kootras head. The officers should have saw that the man is a 20 y/o nerdy white guy playing video games. This is police brutality at the finest. Just my thought.

-FrostyStorms
Stay Frosty
Did you even bother to look at the second video? they had the whole area on lockdown. The police were told Kootra was a terrorist. I think they acted the way they should have.

However when they swatted him they should have used common scene and analysed the scene. But instead we have police in military gear (coming out of my 6 digit tax money) and wanna play dress up and act way to aggressive. Its ridiculous that you guys are agreeing with the police militia. But then again you guys are probably under 18 and don't understand this.
Lol this whole "police state" and "police militia" nonsense makes me laugh a ton. That's basically something the media throws out to get ratings and kids pretend to agree with because being part of the counter culture is cool. You say people are too young to understand it well I offer the exact opposite view. As you get older you shake off the feeling of rebellion and realize how the world actually works. First responders to terrorist reports should be heavily armed and I wouldn't want it any other way.

If you think America isn't becoming a police state you obviously don't remember what life was like before Sept 11, 2001. Human beings like to blow off the truth by claiming that it is simply nonsense, calling it, for example, "funny," "hilarious," or "entertaining." In addition, they automatically disregard the truth messenger as being a "standard-issue schizophrenic who is obviously out of touch with reality." People desperately try to paint truth messengers as being non-lucid, mentally unstable, illogical, and so self-absorbed that they can't see things for what they really are. This is a very convenient way to quickly discard the truth and go on with one's life.
Title: Re: Kootra detained. Swatting
Post by: raul7legend on September 12, 2014, 01:04:23 pm
If you think America isn't becoming a police state you obviously don't remember what life was like before Sept 11, 2001. Human beings like to blow off the truth by claiming that it is simply nonsense, calling it, for example, "funny," "hilarious," or "entertaining." In addition, they automatically disregard the truth messenger as being a "standard-issue schizophrenic who is obviously out of touch with reality." People desperately try to paint truth messengers as being non-lucid, mentally unstable, illogical, and so self-absorbed that they can't see things for what they really are. This is a very convenient way to quickly discard the truth and go on with one's life.
If you actually think America's becoming a police state, go to an actual police state and make a comparison rather than being an armchair anarchist that you plainly seem to be.
Calling who disagree with your opinion "blow off the truth" and whilst calling yourself "truth messenger" just makes you sound pretentious and self-absorbed, so don't be surprised if people tag you as an unstable person.
Title: Re: Kootra detained. Swatting
Post by: Tobs on September 12, 2014, 11:30:43 pm
http://abc13.com/news/software-writer-in-la-marque-latest-swatting-victim/305170/

Latest swatting victim, Wesley Wolfe - Contributor to the Bukkit project.
Title: Re: Kootra detained. Swatting
Post by: Wone on September 15, 2014, 11:58:14 am
http://abc13.com/news/software-writer-in-la-marque-latest-swatting-victim/305170/

Latest swatting victim, Wesley Wolfe - Contributor to the Bukkit project.
Now that's just another middle finger to Bukkit.
Title: Re: Kootra detained. Swatting
Post by: DeeKay on September 15, 2014, 12:30:30 pm
http://abc13.com/news/software-writer-in-la-marque-latest-swatting-victim/305170/

Latest swatting victim, Wesley Wolfe - Contributor to the Bukkit project.
TOP KEK I knew I recognised his name from somewhere!
Title: Re: Kootra detained. Swatting
Post by: clawstrider on September 15, 2014, 01:18:09 pm
http://abc13.com/news/software-writer-in-la-marque-latest-swatting-victim/305170/

Latest swatting victim, Wesley Wolfe - Contributor to the Bukkit project.
TOP KEK I knew I recognised his name from somewhere!

While it may seem like "he deserves it" or whatever, this isn't funny or justified.

Just because someone (legally) screws over a community, doesn't mean that he should be subjected to this kind of emotional trauma.
Title: Re: Kootra detained. Swatting
Post by: 100penguin. on September 15, 2014, 01:49:31 pm
Speaking as someone from a country where the police don't carry guns I still feel this was a totally appropriate response. If someone is hypothetically going nuts in a building with a firearm I'd gladly see them treated that way. I think he's lucky they didn't blow him away. It is naturally a harsh response, but in America's history of insanely lax gun laws [in my opinion] and whereby police will happily shoot first and ask questions later I think he had a lucky escape and that the police could've been a lot worse than they were. As for the sentence against the teenager I feel the reasoning is just but the response is not. Indeed the US has been victim to several "terrorist actions" over the years and hence they are quite edgy about people effectively prank calling about such a serious subject. In short - bang him up, but maybe not for 25 years that's just unnecessary.
Title: Re: Kootra detained. Swatting
Post by: DeeKay on September 15, 2014, 01:49:45 pm
http://abc13.com/news/software-writer-in-la-marque-latest-swatting-victim/305170/

Latest swatting victim, Wesley Wolfe - Contributor to the Bukkit project.
TOP KEK I knew I recognised his name from somewhere!

While it may seem like "he deserves it" or whatever, this isn't funny or justified.

Just because someone (legally) screws over a community, doesn't mean that he should be subjected to this kind of emotional trauma.
No one here's saying that :o
Title: Re: Kootra detained. Swatting
Post by: clawstrider on September 15, 2014, 01:59:38 pm
http://abc13.com/news/software-writer-in-la-marque-latest-swatting-victim/305170/

Latest swatting victim, Wesley Wolfe - Contributor to the Bukkit project.
TOP KEK I knew I recognised his name from somewhere!

While it may seem like "he deserves it" or whatever, this isn't funny or justified.

Just because someone (legally) screws over a community, doesn't mean that he should be subjected to this kind of emotional trauma.
No one here's saying that :o

Ah, okay. Maybe I took the "TOP KEK" the wrong way :P My bad.
Title: Re: Kootra detained. Swatting
Post by: Wone on September 19, 2014, 11:44:50 am
http://abc13.com/news/software-writer-in-la-marque-latest-swatting-victim/305170/

Latest swatting victim, Wesley Wolfe - Contributor to the Bukkit project.
TOP KEK I knew I recognised his name from somewhere!

While it may seem like "he deserves it" or whatever, this isn't funny or justified.

Just because someone (legally) screws over a community, doesn't mean that he should be subjected to this kind of emotional trauma.
No one here's saying that :o

Ah, okay. Maybe I took the "TOP KEK" the wrong way :P My bad.

What does TOP KEK even mean?
Title: Re: Kootra detained. Swatting
Post by: clawstrider on September 19, 2014, 12:17:17 pm
http://abc13.com/news/software-writer-in-la-marque-latest-swatting-victim/305170/

Latest swatting victim, Wesley Wolfe - Contributor to the Bukkit project.
TOP KEK I knew I recognised his name from somewhere!

While it may seem like "he deserves it" or whatever, this isn't funny or justified.

Just because someone (legally) screws over a community, doesn't mean that he should be subjected to this kind of emotional trauma.
No one here's saying that :o

Ah, okay. Maybe I took the "TOP KEK" the wrong way :P My bad.

What does TOP KEK even mean?


http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/kek

It's roughly equivalent to saying "TOP LOL" which basically means "lmao". It's not unique to World of Warcraft, I've seen it around quite a bit.
Title: Re: Kootra detained. Swatting
Post by: SalsaInABowl on September 19, 2014, 02:31:07 pm
http://abc13.com/news/software-writer-in-la-marque-latest-swatting-victim/305170/

Latest swatting victim, Wesley Wolfe - Contributor to the Bukkit project.
TOP KEK I knew I recognised his name from somewhere!

While it may seem like "he deserves it" or whatever, this isn't funny or justified.

Just because someone (legally) screws over a community, doesn't mean that he should be subjected to this kind of emotional trauma.
No one here's saying that :o

Ah, okay. Maybe I took the "TOP KEK" the wrong way :P My bad.

What does TOP KEK even mean?

Just googled it, so far I just see a WoW translation for lol
Title: Re: Kootra detained. Swatting
Post by: DeeKay on September 19, 2014, 02:58:07 pm
http://abc13.com/news/software-writer-in-la-marque-latest-swatting-victim/305170/

Latest swatting victim, Wesley Wolfe - Contributor to the Bukkit project.
TOP KEK I knew I recognised his name from somewhere!

While it may seem like "he deserves it" or whatever, this isn't funny or justified.

Just because someone (legally) screws over a community, doesn't mean that he should be subjected to this kind of emotional trauma.
No one here's saying that :o

Ah, okay. Maybe I took the "TOP KEK" the wrong way :P My bad.

What does TOP KEK even mean?

>being this new
Title: Re: Kootra detained. Swatting
Post by: raul7legend on September 19, 2014, 09:50:37 pm
http://abc13.com/news/software-writer-in-la-marque-latest-swatting-victim/305170/

Latest swatting victim, Wesley Wolfe - Contributor to the Bukkit project.
TOP KEK I knew I recognised his name from somewhere!

While it may seem like "he deserves it" or whatever, this isn't funny or justified.

Just because someone (legally) screws over a community, doesn't mean that he should be subjected to this kind of emotional trauma.
No one here's saying that :o

Ah, okay. Maybe I took the "TOP KEK" the wrong way :P My bad.

What does TOP KEK even mean?

>being this new
>using greentext outside of 4chan
Title: Re: Kootra detained. Swatting
Post by: DeeKay on September 20, 2014, 04:00:52 am
http://abc13.com/news/software-writer-in-la-marque-latest-swatting-victim/305170/

Latest swatting victim, Wesley Wolfe - Contributor to the Bukkit project.
TOP KEK I knew I recognised his name from somewhere!

While it may seem like "he deserves it" or whatever, this isn't funny or justified.

Just because someone (legally) screws over a community, doesn't mean that he should be subjected to this kind of emotional trauma.
No one here's saying that :o

Ah, okay. Maybe I took the "TOP KEK" the wrong way :P My bad.

What does TOP KEK even mean?

>being this new
>using greentext outside of 4chan
lol sorry I actually thought this was 4chan for a second
Title: Re: Kootra detained. Swatting
Post by: 5OO on September 20, 2014, 04:59:50 am
If you think America isn't becoming a police state you obviously don't remember what life was like before Sept 11, 2001. Human beings like to blow off the truth by claiming that it is simply nonsense, calling it, for example, "funny," "hilarious," or "entertaining." In addition, they automatically disregard the truth messenger as being a "standard-issue schizophrenic who is obviously out of touch with reality." People desperately try to paint truth messengers as being non-lucid, mentally unstable, illogical, and so self-absorbed that they can't see things for what they really are. This is a very convenient way to quickly discard the truth and go on with one's life.
If you actually think America's becoming a police state, go to an actual police state and make a comparison rather than being an armchair anarchist that you plainly seem to be.
Calling who disagree with your opinion "blow off the truth" and whilst calling yourself "truth messenger" just makes you sound pretentious and self-absorbed, so don't be surprised if people tag you as an unstable person.

"Dont be surprised if people tag me as an unstable person" You just proved my point, LOL. Many civil liberties advocates, lawmakers, and organizations like the ACLU have concerns that America is slowly turning into a police state, are they all mentally unstable too? Yes, there are places that are a lot worse when it comes to freedom but notice how you are comparing America to the least free places, why not compare America to countries with the most freedom? If you truly believe the rights of Americans aren't slowly being curtailed, then you simply haven't been paying attention. I could go on and continue to argue my case but it would be a waste of time since you've already shown signs that you aren't open minded enough to consider a differing viewpoint by determining that I'm mentally unstable from a single forum post. If you want to continue living in your happy bubble reality that's fine with me.

(http://www.opticraft.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffiercetruthnews.files.wordpress.com%2F2013%2F08%2Fwhen-did-the-police-turn-into-soldiers.jpg&hash=fd1680f2e5bea17d0d4ed123b1769e85)
Title: Re: Kootra detained. Swatting
Post by: raul7legend on September 20, 2014, 07:24:32 am
I could go on and continue to argue my case but it would be a waste of time since you've already shown signs that you aren't open minded enough to consider a differing viewpoint by determining that I'm mentally unstable from a single forum post. If you want to continue living in your happy bubble reality that's fine with me.
Read my post again. Where did I ever call you out unstable? I think this is a good conversation piece, but saying things like -
you aren't open minded enough
truth messengers
blow off the truth
discard the truth
makes you sound pretentious as hell; and rather than having a constructive conversation with people, they would see you as a person who on his high horse because he acts like he knows better than everybody, and that those who disagree with your opinion are wrong. Learn connotations man, it's important.
Title: Re: Kootra detained. Swatting
Post by: Holy_Moses on September 20, 2014, 03:08:29 pm
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Title: Re: Kootra detained. Swatting
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Title: Re: Kootra detained. Swatting
Post by: Nick3306 on September 21, 2014, 04:27:54 am
If you think America isn't becoming a police state you obviously don't remember what life was like before Sept 11, 2001. Human beings like to blow off the truth by claiming that it is simply nonsense, calling it, for example, "funny," "hilarious," or "entertaining." In addition, they automatically disregard the truth messenger as being a "standard-issue schizophrenic who is obviously out of touch with reality." People desperately try to paint truth messengers as being non-lucid, mentally unstable, illogical, and so self-absorbed that they can't see things for what they really are. This is a very convenient way to quickly discard the truth and go on with one's life.
If you actually think America's becoming a police state, go to an actual police state and make a comparison rather than being an armchair anarchist that you plainly seem to be.
Calling who disagree with your opinion "blow off the truth" and whilst calling yourself "truth messenger" just makes you sound pretentious and self-absorbed, so don't be surprised if people tag you as an unstable person.

"Dont be surprised if people tag me as an unstable person" You just proved my point, LOL. Many civil liberties advocates, lawmakers, and organizations like the ACLU have concerns that America is slowly turning into a police state, are they all mentally unstable too? Yes, there are places that are a lot worse when it comes to freedom but notice how you are comparing America to the least free places, why not compare America to countries with the most freedom? If you truly believe the rights of Americans aren't slowly being curtailed, then you simply haven't been paying attention. I could go on and continue to argue my case but it would be a waste of time since you've already shown signs that you aren't open minded enough to consider a differing viewpoint by determining that I'm mentally unstable from a single forum post. If you want to continue living in your happy bubble reality that's fine with me.

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You still have yet to provide a single piece of evidence for your claims. I will not even attempt to argue with someone who doesnt back up his claims.
Title: Re: Kootra detained. Swatting
Post by: 5OO on September 22, 2014, 06:14:56 am
http://news.distractify.com/news/police-state/
http://www.juancole.com/2013/06/american-toward-police.html
http://www.mintpressnews.com/naked-truth-american-police-state/193749/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-w-whitehead/life-in-the-emerging-amer_b_4519241.html
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/05/01/us-become-worse-police-state-orwell-imagine/
http://www.globalresearch.ca/america-has-become-a-police-state/5378258
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/princeton-experts-say-us-no-longer-democracy
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/apr/21/americas-oligarchy-not-democracy-or-republic-unive/
http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-27074746
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/the-us-no-longer-democracy
http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/new_study_finds_the_us_is_not_a_democracy_so_what_is_it_20140417
http://www.commondreams.org/views/2014/04/14/us-oligarchy-not-democracy-says-scientific-study

Title: Re: Kootra detained. Swatting
Post by: Nick3306 on September 22, 2014, 02:30:39 pm
http://news.distractify.com/news/police-state/
http://www.juancole.com/2013/06/american-toward-police.html
http://www.mintpressnews.com/naked-truth-american-police-state/193749/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-w-whitehead/life-in-the-emerging-amer_b_4519241.html
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/05/01/us-become-worse-police-state-orwell-imagine/
http://www.globalresearch.ca/america-has-become-a-police-state/5378258
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/princeton-experts-say-us-no-longer-democracy
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/apr/21/americas-oligarchy-not-democracy-or-republic-unive/
http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-27074746
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/the-us-no-longer-democracy
http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/new_study_finds_the_us_is_not_a_democracy_so_what_is_it_20140417
http://www.commondreams.org/views/2014/04/14/us-oligarchy-not-democracy-says-scientific-study


I admire your effort to go out and find these. However, only a few of these contain actual facts. Most of these articles are just the writers opinion on the subject (which is not fact) pair with baseless claims. Like I said, a few of them actual do have facts, but most of those articles don't exactly help you. Not saying I agree or disagree with all of the points.
Title: Re: Kootra detained. Swatting
Post by: Gogar72 on September 23, 2014, 10:17:30 pm
Lol I remember this video :P watched it on the 27th of august...The day it came out.